Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Group opposes planned biomass plant

A group of North Springfield residents have formed a group to fight the proposed Winstanley wood-fired power plant.

Members of the group expressed several concerns that they believe affect the welfare of not only North Springfield itself, but also of a wider area, including all of Springfield, Weathersfield, Baltimore, Ludlow and Chester, possibly others. These include “many long term environmental and health issues” said Bob Kischko, a founder of the group, at a recent meeting. Julie Jones said that the neighbors on and near Main Street in North Springfield are upset about a drastic increase in truck traffic, since five to 12 truckloads (18-wheelers) will be required per hour, to bring in the needed wood chip fuel for the 25 – to 35 – Megawatt facility.


The availability and sources for the needed +500 gallons of water per minute for cooling are not clear, according to discussion at the last Springfield Planning Board meeting. These are only a sampling of the potential problems. The proposed 116 – foot high building and 140 – foot stack are out of scale with their surroundings, group members agreed at a meeting Feb. 12.

The North Springfield Action Group urges all our neighbors in the vicinity of Southern Windsor County to enlighten yourselves and plan to attend the Public Hearing before a Hearing officer of the Vermont Public Service Board on Tuesday, Feb. 28 at 7 PM at the Springfield High School. We urge residents to get informed.

You will find documentation of the plant proposal itself at the Springfield Town Office, or you may download it from the Web site of the Southern Windsor County Regional Planning Commission. The Web site www.nosagvt.org has a link to this as well as a growing array of information documenting the group’s concerns and objections. You may contact the North Springfield Action Group by email to: mailto:info@nosagvt.org

The NoSAG web site:  http://www.nosagvt.org/ .

Project proponents' web site: http://www.northspringfieldbiomass.com/ .

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20120221/NEWS02/702219907

35 comments :

  1. And the not in my backyarder's are off and running. If they succeed in stopping.this project I never want to hear anyone complain about Springfield's high taxes. This plant plans on creating 160 well paying jobs. A shift of up to 2 million dollars from.the residential property tax burden to the non-residential side. It's time that Springfield becomes business friendly or be prepared to put all the tax burden on residential property owners

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    1. Happy Tax Payer2/18/12, 9:39 AM

      @ above anon.

      Wow.

      Your OR ELSE attitude makes me want to VOTE NO BIOMASS in Sprinfield.

      If you are important in this issue, I truly hope your not relying on this blogspot for guidance.

      Sounds like we can reduce our Tax burden by eliminating your Job.

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    2. Good luck. If your happy with the tax rate. Can I send you my tax bill and have you pay that too. I don't see to many businesses scrambling to Springfield. So its not an or else attitude. It's more like I'll take what er can get.

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    3. BIOMASS IS GOOD FOR SPRINGFIELD2/18/12, 9:59 AM

      500 Gallons Per Minute from the Watershed...

      Make Them Pay For It.

      Bind them to the obligation of the additional cost.
      Paid To The Town Of Springfield.

      Make sure the contract does NOT have a fixed price, but rather an ajustable (upwards only) rate, reviewed every 5 years.

      1 Gallon of Water = $1

      500 gallons per minute
      x60 minutes per hour = $ 30,000.00
      x24 (?) hours a day = $ 720,000.00
      x7 days a week = $ 5,040,000.00
      x52 (?) weeks a year = $ 262,080,000.00 pr yr.

      1 YEAR = $ 262,080,000.00 IN WATER COST

      $262,080,000.00

      I went into the local grocery store in Springfield and they charge $1 for a gallon of water. 2/19/2012

      $262,080,000.00 fair market value

      TO BE PAID TO THE TOWN OF SPRINGFIELD VT.

      if you multiply the daily * 365 you get

      $262,800,000.00

      Go ahead and do the math a little different and even give them a discount.

      JUST MAKE THE RATE REVIEWABLE AND ADJUSTABLE UPWARDS.

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    4. I'm sure they arent going to go to Shaws and buy Poland Spring by the gallon you idiot

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    5. and you drink flouridated bleached water and don't know why you are slow.

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    6. I agree with this guy.2/19/12, 10:05 AM

      @ Biomass is good.

      I understand your points.

      1. The water in N.Springfield is BETTER than Poland Springs, and could be bottled.
      One might think 500 gallons a minute of the fresh prestine watershed water is replacable, but it is not.

      2. Your other important concept is the variable rate that the town charges the Biomass facility. The Biomass facility should pay for the water, and chances are the price is going to go up so don't let them lock in a long term price.


      Clearly you are an astute observer and inteligent and capable illustrator of the truth.

      Thank you for not moving away. We will join you, and may we all triumph.

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  2. The above poster should rename his/herself Happy But Ignorant Taxpayer.

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    1. agent educator2/19/12, 10:10 AM

      A above anon
      Why is Happy Tax Payer ignorant?
      Are you sure it is not you who are ignorant?

      You don't have to answer the second question.

      But how about you do better than call Happy ignorant.
      Tell us what Happy is missing.

      I think Happy is actually got this right.

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  3. They have already agreed to pay current water rates plus.

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    1. STOP THE PRESS..... and get real here2/18/12, 10:19 AM

      Awesome... How much ?

      the above #s are TWO HUNDRED SIXTY TWO MILLION EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND.

      is that going to the TOWN OF SPRINGFIELD !!!

      or are they looking for the flouridated bleached reservoir / water sewer rate? if that's the case put the biomass plant by the PRISON and HIGH WAY and use the water from below the sewer facility.

      WOW... NO TRUCKS on my road with this plan !!!!

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    2. or put it near the prison and drain the river!!! Really it is documented that wood buring plants of this size are not safe. Amercian Lung Association, EPS, Mass Medical Society.... End of story--do your research.

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  4. I wonder if nosag would approve of a wind turbine farm in lieu of biomass. The only impact would be 300-325 foot turbines. No health concerns and definitely green.

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  5. And the article's headline should read "Same group of NIMBY's rename themselves and continue opposition to biomass plant". Aside from Bob Kischko, a founder of the group (and an "engineer", which somehow was carelessly overlooked in this article), who are the other members of NoSAG and how large is this organization? My guess is there might be a few other members, but as usual the reporter doesn't provide such pertinent details because had they done so, it would have exposed the truly feeble size and limited support that the group really has.

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    1. Easter Island Baby2/18/12, 10:45 AM

      I am not a member of NoSAG and I think BIOMASS is a BAD IDEA.

      I am from the "you got to be stupid to burn that much wood" party

      I hadn't even heard about the water or turtles either.

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  6. Or the article could be retitled: "New group opposes economic expansion in Springfield - works toward fewer jobs and higher property tax rates".

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    1. Uhhhh... No. nice spin.

      The real issue is that BIOMASS takes too much wood and water to justify the small amount of energy that will only make profits for an even fewer number of people, ultimately not making a differrence what so ever to Springfield's bottom line.

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    2. More sensationalism without the facts to back it up! You can't quantify it because you lack the knowledge. All you can resort to is the usual hyperemotional blather that you hope other ingnoramuses will buy into. Who are you to proclaim it takes "...too much wood"? How much is too much? Who are you to profess that the project doesn't "...justify the small amount of energy" that the plant will produce? How little is too little when energy prices continue to rise and consume more and more of consumers' budgets? And as for "...profits for an even fewer number of people", well, that just sounds like the usual envy of a "have not" obstructionist. And as for your last sentence - that just proves you're off your rocker and in complete denial. Juat another voice heard from the enemies of economic growth in Springfield.

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    3. @ above...

      Who am I...
      a wizard, mathmatician, shaman, and Jedi are a few of the things I have been called before.

      I'd like to think of myself as a student of

      Magnetocrystalline Anisotropy
      and
      anisotropy/fresnel conditions


      by the way
      too much wood is any wood when you are

      THE GREEN MOUNTAIN STATE

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    4. You must go into.the woods and give every tree a hug in the morning.

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    5. We think of you more as a student of human flatulence.

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  7. Let's see, why do companys move out of the USA? Look around folks and you will see we are struggling here. We have become a socialist town. With all the regulation today do you not think the plant would be safe or have a ton or restictions from an Act 250 permit? We can't even get a Taco Bell built without 5 years of hearings.

    I don't know if this would be a good thing or a bad thing but we should let the process play out. We shouldn't be passing on anything right now until we know all the facts and we all listen with open ears and minds.

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  8. To quote the Anon a few posts above...

    "WOW... NO TRUCKS on my road with this plan !!!!"

    When you purchased your home near to an INDUSTRIAL PARK, did it ever occur to you that there may be trucks on your road? Just because it's been quiet for a few years, doesn't mean it's not going to eventually fill up....

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    1. Light industry is far differenct than a 35 Meg Biomass energy plant---thats apples to oranges.

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  9. The one question that concerns me is the air quality of this proposed plant. As an employee of one of the businesses in that area, we use an air exchange system that pulls in outside air to replenish our foul chemical smelling shop air within our shop around every 10 minutes. When they were burning brush in the area a few years back we had a very strong wood burning smell from that within our work space. We are able to switch to pull 'inside' air in for the exchange system, but this is not a viable option during the summer months since you are just pulling stagnant air in and replacing stagnant air which really puts strain on the employees who work in that environment.

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    1. short of breath2/19/12, 10:22 PM

      Biomass screws up the air for a very long distance,

      air travels outside of the Industrial area and into residential and wildlife areas.

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    2. The system that will be in place will minimize any gases being expelled, scrubbers, filters, reclaimation. You own vehicle and home will release more per day than the biomass plant.will.

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    3. then why is McNeil #1 polluter in vermont--emitting 79 different substances into the air--why not put some of those fancy scrubbers on them--and put some on those plants in mass that Mass was ordered to stop building because of health hazzards--PLEASE

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  10. I think it's another symptom of how backwards Springfield thinking is. What other ecomony is going to show up and give you revenues of that size? Your not a vacation destination town, your a has-been machining town in dire straits. Take what you can get and get real. Or maybe the government can squeeze those revenues out of you instead by letting you all go broke and then take your family and what is remaining in family courts, lawyers and custody battles. That trend is already alarming and many are headed for that meat grinder.

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    1. blah blah blah

      cut your budget and leave the tax money for mature matters

      all you need is new managment

      not new taxes nor biomass

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    2. I see a lot of people.wanting to cut the budget. But no reference to what services they will do without. That IS the next step. Nothing is free, so what services do you want cut?

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  11. Well, I personally I a thought or two. First, get over the biomass people. Seriously, would you prefer a coal plant? How about nuclear? Cause we can really set that one up. Aside from wind turbine which I strongly think we also should have in addition to this, I think this is a good idea. It does bring in revenue and it isnt a problem.

    You all are squabbling over the water. OK I see the point of them having to pay market rate and I agree but quit being so melodramtic about this. I know someone who loves to bitch and complain and make waves but they never want to take the stand in person, they wont go out and canvas or stand at the polls,or have their face seen, they want others to do the dirty work. Well put up or shut up. Your house will still sell by this facility and may even go up in value.

    We need the tax revenue so bad I dont think that residents understand what happens next if we do not bring in more revenue. I am with the poster who stated if you shoot this down then pay my tax bill. Ummm yes he is right. You know what you people bitch if you don't get lower taxes, you bitch at the higher taxes, you bitch at the state of the schools and the school taxes but you NEVER EVER do anything, stand up, canvas, volunteer to change it. As far as I am concerned YOU made this town what it has become- the armpit of the country.

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  12. It takes 20,000 acres of trees to fully fuel a biomass plant of this size for one year. (For comparison, the total number of acres within the borders of Springfield is 30,000.) Is there really that much wood waste being produced within a reasonable trucking distance? If large numbers of extra trees have to be cut to meet the demand this could raise the prices for lower-grade firewood, a burden that would fall disproportionately on lower-income Vermonters who rely on firewood to heat their homes.

    According to the U.S. Department of Energy, direct-fired biomass-to-electricity conversion is currently less the 30% efficient. Putting it another way, for every 10 cords of wood burned, only about 3 cords produce electricity. The other 7 just produce a lot of extra pollution, carbon dioxide and heat that has to be dealt with. It is claimed that all the smoke particulates will be removed by an advanced water filtration system so only clean steam will be coming out of the smokestack. But that won't keep tons of carbon dioxide from being released with the steam. Being a gas, it can't be held in solution in hot water. Try making some hot tea with carbonated water.

    Some of the tremendous heat produced would be piped into the nearby factories to provide all their heat during the colder months. But most would just be wasted by being vented off into the sky. The McNeil biomass power plant in Burlington burns 30 cords an hour -- enough to be heating 87,600 homes this winter!

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  13. Let's apply creative thinking. If negotiating a permit for this plant, how about Spfld receiving heavily discounted rates? Such could benefit EVERYONE in town and lure new industry.
    But don't count on it as too many palms are being greased by out-of-town interests while we residents get BFed. Use your vote at town meeting wisely.

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