Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Springfield meets on drug issues

Local, state, and law enforcement officials and residents met on Monday to discuss the growing concern of drug abuse, trafficking, gang recruitment and downtown shootings.
http://www.vttoday.com/we-cant-arrest-our-way-out-of-the-drug-problem-springfield-meets-on-drug-issues/

33 comments :

  1. Two parts to the problem are pictured. Overly tolerant judiciary and incompetent, coddlng legislature. Until the public finally understands that these institutions and their failed governance are at the core of the problem, nothing will help - particularly more meetings in Springfield. Judges should be impeached and our feckless legislators should be voted out!

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    1. "Feckless" why didn't she get a town meeting set up with the authorities...not her fault that they forgot to tell the public they were having it. Besides those meetings are so boring, can't understand why the activists want them in the first place.

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  2. When Union Street parents reached out to the police chief 4-5 years ago about doing something about the drug house at the base of the school, we were told that they could picket in front of the drug house or set up/monitor a video feed ourselves. We were told that there are no state laws that discourage drug peddling in front of schools and that they could do nothing. While it is nice that they are willing to talk about strategies now, wouldn't it have been nice if there had been an ounce of prevention a few years ago. Springfield needs to figure this out.

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    1. Gee...ya think maybe there was a reason that the police did not want to stop the illegal behavior? When you claim that the police could do nothing and yet they wanted you to put your own life at risk do you think that there may be something else going on here? If what you state is true than the entire police force needs to be investigated and the police chief fired. Screw hiring more cops that might be dirty. Clean house and get some honest and competent police to take over. When the population of the town was double what it is today there were half as many cops and they were not lining their pockets with the tax payers money.

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    2. Well, I remember at the candidates debate one of those pesky progressives asked the candidates what they were going to do about the drug trafficking in front of one of the newly renovated elementary schools. And I sure was proud of the patriotic response they all gave about not bashing our boys in blue...course then they went onto bash their union...but that was just the Republican thing to do you know. Am proud of our conservatives they always talk law and order, course normally we want to do it on the cheap but..that's the American way!

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    3. Anonymous 9:39, the population of Springfield was never twice what it is now and the police department size has not changed in over 30 years.

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    4. Ya it was...check the records, clown.

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    5. I have dummy...the highest population of Springfield was in the 1980s and early 1990's...topping out at @ 10200. The current population is 9373 and rising. Anymore uneducated comments?

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    6. During WWII, including residents, Springfield had a daily influx of over 20,000 people. Shops were running three shifts non stop. Local stores were the shopping Mecca for much of the area. Crime was little different. TC & BL ran herd as the only two full time police officers. They shared one car. Want to guess what the budget was?

      Point being, you can make a case for adding any number of officers and whatever budget you want. Only a matter of time before we get requests for a swat team and helicopter or equally foolish resource officer.

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    7. Crime was much different...those two cops had the option of what if any laws they wanted to enforce, crime reports were frequently a few sentences in length, druggies were not breaking into several vehicles and houses a night, drug dealers and gang members were not fighting each other with weapons, etc., etc., etc. You really want to play the stupid game of comparing now to 50+ years ago when there truly was little crime (other than drunks at the bar getting rowdy) in Springfield...wake up and join the real world.

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    8. Aethelred the Unready12/12/12, 3:11 PM

      Problem is those vacancis in the Police Department are likely to remain vacant and possibly grow unless we do something about the Police Chief. Does the Police Chief serve as Chief at the pleasure of the Selectboard? If so can't he just be replaced without necessarily firing him? Course its unlikely we are going to get much improvement of the police force when the Chairman of the Selectboard is closely related to the dispatcher.

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    9. The Town Manager is who hires and fires employees...until he's gone nothing will change.

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    10. State of VT does not have a blanket drug free school zone policy. They typically use 500 ft vs the National standard of 1000. So with only 500 ft that leaves a lot more area for the drug dealers to set up shop.

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    11. Now Anonymous 3:56 why would you go and pick on the Town Manager he does a very good job of counting paperclips, and he asked the State whether they were keeping the agreements regarding the prison and they told him they definitely were keeping those agreements. So could there be any doubt but what they told him the truth, and nothing but the truth? No need to make a federal case of the whole thing and actually make the State prove that it isn't paroling and probationing prisoners from elsewhere here, or what they might be doing with people released from rehab. They're all doing mighty fine now jacked up on Suboxen -- what a fine drug that is. Why if they cross HCRS it can threaten to take away their Suboxen keeps them all just in fine shape, and then they can go down to the Turning Point Club with their fine new management and get a nightcap before turning in...maybe something other entertainment as well. No we need to keep our Town Manager and Police Chief in place they are doing a right fine job in the Town.

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    12. Anon 5:56- There are are 2 or 3 drug houses within 500' of Union Street. The conversation with the police chief happened after the drug dealer at the end of the driveway was seen harrassing middle-schoolers as they walked by. Picketing by parents to "make the drug dealers feel uncomfortable and unwelcome" is not a safe or responsible policy for a police department. If I recall correctly, it was only recently that the police department even acknowleged that we had a real gang presence in the Town. It is completely absurd that we have Town leaders that allow this to go on this long. Why is it that we allow our "leaders" to be incompetent... our town manager, our school board chair, our police chief ... it is shameful.

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    13. Anon 11:08 I can and will make a case for the 2 police officers then vs. now.
      In your statement you mentioned there were 20,000 people coming in etc. I don't know the exact number nor does it really matter. The difference is that same crowd were coming to Springfield to work. Now they come for welfare benefits and to be near their family who is doing time.
      How times have changed

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    14. Anonymous 6:41, School Board Chair seems okay, but the Selectboard Chair runs his meetings like a Nazi and needs to be replaced, and what is this about him being related to the dispatcher at the Police Department. Is that true? Is that the dispatcher that files the information about drug deals being observed in file 13? If so, the Selectboard Chair should be recusing himself from any discussions concerning the operation of the Police Department. No wonder they can't fill vacancies.

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  3. Hire a police chief who doesn't think ticketing the public is the most important part of police work. Until that happens, nothing will change in this town. We are losing the good officers to better departments.....

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    1. Now, now good ole Chief Johnston .... why what would we do without him keeping the speeders under control out by the prison. And I think its just terrible that he is being criticized because the Police Department can't seem to find an available officer to attend school events -- why if officers were at all those school events how could the kids sell drugs in the bleachers and stands, it would crimp the economy. No we need more stand up Chiefs like him who can think up excuses right on the spot...otherwise they might actually fill those vacancies in the Department and then think what would happen to your taxes and the economy.

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  4. Alright Already. I drive Clinton to I-91 daily. I've not seen Springfield police down by the prison for months. However, I check the police parking lot and there's always a minimum of 3 cars.

    In regard to the town structure: I believe the chain of command is: selectboard (elected officials), town manager, and under the manager are the 5 departments: Town office, police, fire, library and public works. Of the 5 departments, the town office employees are the ones not unionized. Is this correct?

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    1. Were you talking on your cell phone or are you just blind?

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    2. No cell phone and 20/20 vision.

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  5. Not to poop in your Cheerios but......I saw one today just past where Paddock Rd starts on the prison side. I don't care, like I said that's what pays the bills.

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    1. Right the primary purpose of law enforcement is to hand out tickets to support the Town budget. Oh yeah.

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  6. I'm inclined to agree with Ms. Hall. The "primary purpose" of the SPD is, public safety. To my thinking, there no epidemic of accidents on Clinton Street, thus no threat to public safety. Common sense would then direct those resources away from traffic control and towards gathering evidence and solving property crime. Building solid cases to arrest and convict criminals. But wait, that takes actual police work which we'd rather not do. So, just watch for us at 5:30 AM in the Wiggins Hardware parking lot and Paddock Road intersection.

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    1. But when the police our out there handing out tickets, it sure looks like they are out apprehending violators. And that is what we want isn't it, to have our public officials look like they are doing something. I say a radar gun in every policeman's hand to encourage more police work, and every once and awhile it will be some hapless druggie that is doing 55 in a 45 so it gets two birds stoned....I mean with one stoned bird...or is it one bird with two stones...I get so confused...

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    2. @ Boss Hogg !!!!

      I'm stoned !!! and your FUNNY !!!

      stoned + radar gun + doughnuts = a very good a.m.

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  7. drug free or liar free I choose liar free12/13/12, 8:37 AM

    To spot a shill

    I must be blind.... How do you all know which houses are "drug houses" ..
    I know I don't really know many people around here. But I've been outside.. I dont see what you see.

    It makes me think you are all government employees fraudulently swaying the publics opinion.

    Seriously if all of these houses that are being named on this blogspott are ill be goten .... Then HOW can the poilice NOT take action...

    Oh.. you mean to tell me you don't do the drugs but know so much about what is inside.. drugs, gangs, drugs... No other reasons,,

    It takes one to kno one ,,, Unless your a SHILL

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    1. Aethelred the Unready12/13/12, 12:44 PM

      Hm, don't know about the specific houses indicated. But, I guess you must be blind as in certain areas in Town including the Plaza, it doesn't take a long wait with observation to see a drug deal go down. And you have hit the nail on the head "HOW can the police NOT take action..." That is the question people have been asking over and over again, and not getting very satisfactory answers for.

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    2. that is funny !! Aethelrod the shilL character !!

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    3. Being very familiar with the criminal justice system in VT I can shed some insight. Just because one (including the police) sees what they believe is a drug deal taking place does not mean the police have the right to detain/search/arrest the person involved. The only thing the police can do is ask if the person's involved will talk to them and ask the person's involved if they would consent to a search...if the person says no (which as you can guess always happens) there is nothing the police can do about it. Also just because the police know a drug house exists, does not mean they can go and search such house. It generally takes months of surveillance and numerous drug purchases by informants before a judge will issue a search warrant. Believe it or not, the criminals are very knowledgeable about what the police can and cannot do...one of the reasons besides the large market that drug dealers and gang members come up here.

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  8. PLEASE direct All complaints to Bob Forguites at the town office! 802 885-2106 How many of you "concerned citizens" are willing to take that step. Call everyday if you have to.

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    1. Why? This guy has been in place a long time while the town continually deteriorates. Calling him up won't do anything. Firing him is the answer.

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