Wednesday, April 17, 2013

Speeding stop ends in drug bust

What began as a routine traffic stop for speeding on Interstate 91 in Springfield early Monday ended in a drug bust that netted a fugitive sought by Massachusetts authorities since the summer of 2010.

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20130417/NEWS02/704179916/1003

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  1. Springfield Vermont's new Motto:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

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    1. ^^^^^^ this person is not smart or failed to read the whole article.

      I am guessing both.

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    2. Machine Towner4/17/13, 4:54 PM

      I'm guessing that you're correct.

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    3. That quote on the Statue of Liberty was written by a Socialist, as was the Pledge of Allegiance. Were they masters of irony, or what? We should stop using both of them.

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  2. He wasn't in Springfield, or even going to Springfield. He was on the INTERSTATE going to WRJ. Springfield nabbed him cause the driver was speeding! Good for them! Saved WRJ the hassle.

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    1. Uhhhh NO Correction Springfield didn't NAB him The State Nabbed him! Thank you again State Troopers!

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  3. "What began as a routine traffic stop for speeding on Interstate 91 IN SPRINGFIELD"

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    1. Seth,
      you didn't read the article either did you?

      This was attributed to the state police.

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    2. re: Anon 6:53 PM
      I thought the same thing.

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  5. Does his hood look extra large to anyone else???

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    1. His head is just extra small, that's all.

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    2. Hillbillies haven't adapted to the Gansta hoodie style yet, give it another 5 years and Peebles will be selling them.

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    3. One look at this guy and I HATE him..... I would think these "gang" members would know by now they are the laughing stock of earth and they look like butt juice (poop).... I wish they would read this comment (the bloods and the mama jambas and whatever else ridiculous things they call their idiot selves), look themselves in the mirror and say.. wow I do look like complete garbage and contribute nothing to society, maybe it is time to take a shower... #iamtrashandembarassmymomanddaddaily

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    4. crystal.... 1009/12/13, 3:30 PM

      11:14 You don't know where this man came from or who he is and what he has done behind closed doors or the reason why he did whay he did. Who made you a judge and hate is a strong word.. why don't u go somewhere look in the mirror you don't know the streets he walks in apparently its not the same as the ones you walk in. I know streets and not everyone choose the right paths n everyone makes mistakes. So before u throw judgement n the hate word realize nobody is perfect .

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  6. Why is there such a need for Drugs here in Vermont?

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    1. Because we have a over abundance of low weight babies that grew up in poorly managed homes that Chuck couldnt save . Thats why.
      Also there is no real justice being served to these criminals after they are caught. Only appears to be a slap on the wrist ,a little probation and back to doing /selling drugs again.
      Chuck would try to rehab them all. All well and good in the utopian society where he thinks if we all just followed him we would all live.

      I would make examples of the criminals that are caught and if the penalty is harsh enough on those first caught then that will deter those that still have a brain left to figure that this isnt something they want to do.
      I know others will say this to harsh on those unfortunate folks that have a "disease" .
      I say if "if you cant do the time,dont do the crime".
      There are some people that just plain dont want to be good tax paying citizens and no amount of coddling and rehab is going to "fix"them.
      Chuck,now you can say your piece about rehab and social programs etc.......
      You know my position .
      I live in the real world,not a fairy tale land
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    2. "why is there such a need for drugs here in Vermont?"

      I am not sure about the rest of Vermont, but i know the reason why there is such a need in Springfield: IT'S FULL OF POOR WHITE TRASH.

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    3. Actually it's full of welfare recipients that frequent the opiate center otherwise known as HCRS. You can attract more flies with garbage.

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  7. As a lifelong, college educated, full-time employed, taxpaying resident of Springfield, I would like to assure you that it is NOT FULL of poor white trash. That must just be the people that YOU socialize with! Good day.

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    1. I simply get my information from the police logs posted on this this site, which by the way, is a fantastic advertisement for Springfield. What a great way to recruit professionals to town, have a website that airs all of the communities dirty laundry and clearly identifies the uneducated ilk that populate it. When you google Springfield, VT this is one of the top 5 links that pops up.

      The other great PR campaign Springfield is running right now is their Police Department Facebook Page. More advertising for what a strong community Springfield has become.

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    2. ^^ community's dirty laundry...

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    3. My husband and I are the same. Unfortunately, media only focuses on the negative. It brings more readers. That is a society issue..not just Sprkngfield.

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  8. chuck gregory4/18/13, 3:12 PM

    12:37-- I'll leave it to Boss Hogg to expand on the benefits of the Springfield Shari'a Law that you propose. Nice start, though!

    2;15 and 2:39: Basing your understanding of Springfield solely on police reports ensures a downward spiral in one's ability to make and/or keep Springfield a great place to live. We are better in some aspects of quality of life than other towns, and we are worse than them in others. Compared to a spitload of similarly-sized towns across America, we are far better off! I suggest you do some research on any town of a similar size (7,000 people) in Kansas and get back to us.

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    1. Chuck , I will leave it to you to go research Sharia law and the Quran.It has nothing to do with what 12:37 said .

      I know you are mistaken a lot of times but this time you are so far off base that I sometimes think you must write before thinking.


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    2. chuck gregory4/18/13, 8:34 PM

      5:55, I said SPRINGFIELD Shari'a law, which can be quite different from Muslim Shari'a law, as 12:37 implies-- no reason not to lop off the hand of a drug dealer; that would be a penalty "harsh enough on those first caught then that will deter those that still have a brain left to figure that this isnt something they want to do," the same as it is for thievery in countries with Muslim Shari'a law.

      Unlike the original Shari'a law, we would have to come up with the appropriate draconian penalties for polygamy; I don't think they would stone one to death for having four wives in Mali, for example, but we have our limits here.

      The real question is, just how nasty do we want to be towards transgressors? Remember, each one in prison costs us taxpayers $28,000-$29,000 per year. Isn't it better to teach them to sin no more rather than simply incarcerate them forever?

      But I forget: Vindictiveness is a powerful emotion.

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    3. I dont feel any"vindictiveness" at all towards this person.
      I, unlike some others just want the system to work as it was designed . I also feel that there should be consequences for ones actions and that people must be held responsible for their actions.
      I also dont feel the real question is not how nasty do we want to be towards criminals but when will the court systems start actually making convicted criminals pay for their actions ?
      If there are not consequences for ones actions then chaos will rein.
      Who is talking about putting people behind bars "forever" other than you Chuck?
      Also Chuck do you want convicted criminals running around loose?
      It sounds like you do to me.
      One more thing I believe the correct spelling here in this part of the world is Sharia not Shari`a but there may be two ways to spell it correctly.
      I also dont feel that is even a correct term to be using in your rebuttal either, as you implied that it was SPRINGFIELD (large letters to get your mistaken point across)Sharia law.
      Go read what Sharia is about please then come back .I feel you are reading way to far into it.
      All I want is for the laws on the books to work as it they were designed to.
      Not some version that you think I meant.

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    4. Cutting hands off Chuck?
      Even you have to admit that no one mentioned cutting hands off other than you.
      The above comment said making the penalty harsh enough to deter future wannabe criminals ,only you mentioned amputation.
      Ouch.
      Violent thoughts stemming from bad childhood memories?

      Only you mentioned Sharia law which in some countries advocates the amputation of limbs for certain crimes.
      Maybe some therapy is in the future for you to help take away these violent thoughts?
      You are starting to scare me.

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    5. chuck gregory4/19/13, 7:44 AM

      I'm sorry, 6:12, but Muslim Shari'a law prescribes amputation for thievery. You could look it up. It is quite in the spirit expressed as "harsh enough on those first caught then that will deter those that still have a brain left to figure that this isnt something they want to do" which would underlie our own Springfield Shari'a law. If you find amputation unsettling what do you feel should be the upper limit of harshness? Clearly everything we have in place right now short of life imprisonment or execution, is not working, to judge by comments such as 5:55's.

      5:18, the system "is working as it was designed," but only about 15% of the time. Clearly it has to be improved. But we have to face this: Punishment does not deter others, and 85% or so of the time it does not deter the one who was punished.

      I have pointed out previously that it is cheaper to educate children and families toward civic behavior than it is to punish them for bad behavior. If we do not do that, then we might as well be barbaric, right?

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    6. Im sorry Chuck, if you want to discuss Sharia please come better equipped than telling me to to look it up. I have lived in a country that practices Sharia and it isnt the USA.
      Have you?
      I am well aware what it is.
      You skirt every question that I ask you and then turn to your rehab agenda .
      All you want to do is go back to the same old cost cost cost philosophy.
      The upper limit of "harshness" is what is prescribed by our laws and sentencing protocols in place already.
      Do you not believe in them ?
      My post above just asked for the laws already on our books to be enforced and a appropriate sentence (according to the protocol) handed out to convicted criminals after being properly tried.
      I have to question your appreciation of what this country offers you.
      They are our laws in this country , if you dont like them then dont abide by them or change them if you feel you can .Or head north to Canada.
      Why dont you believe in any type of punishment?
      If someone hurt or did damage to you or your family What would you want done?
      If you had a child that was raped or injured by someone do you feel that no time should be done by the convicted person? or just rehab?

      Now why dont you answer my questions to you?
      Im sorry you dont .
      Chuck , you are a intelligent person ,just misguided in some of your beliefs in my opinion.
      Now please answer the questions asked of you earlier both in this post and the previous ones.
      Now for my answer to your last question is NO.
      You have worded your question so that any answer other than YES would sound "barbaric".
      If you feel that to not educate everyone in your idea of civic behavior is barbaric please open your eyes.
      Not all of us have drank the cool aid that you have.

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    7. Chuck if the system worked as it was designed it would work all the time instead of 15 percent which is a figure that seems familiar to all your posts.
      So the system isnt working as it was designed is it?
      Thats because there are no true sentences anymore. Just a "slap on the wrist and probation".

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    8. Mr Gregory doesnt seem to want to answer the questions ,wonder why?

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  9. Runner up for post of the year on the PD Facebook page:

    Emma Wetherby
    This mayb a supid question but idc tonite wen my family was on our way home we had a guy pull out infront of us almost pushing my mom who was driving of the road remind u my son was in the van so she fallowed him to the truck stop in springfield to see the person now i remember some of the lisents plate n he went in the store n i saw that there was a child in the bc of his vehical n a passedure while he was in the store i think he was waiting for us to leave but we saw my cuzen so we talked wid her for a few minutes but anyways is there anything that can b done im thinkin for the safty of the children

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    1. Awesome, just awesome. I bet she graduated from SHS with honors.

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  10. These gang members, x member or not, should be locked up...Until bug season in June and then carted out into the pucker brush as far from a highway as possible and let out to find there way out of Vermont. Give em a can of opened sardines and tell them a good "bear" story as you boot them out of the jeep.

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  11. I wish we could comment on the side bar info about the "suspected" boston marathon bombers and the Admin's belief that this was a false flag attack.

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  12. Well that and if they could be captured and rehabbed.....

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  13. chuck gregory4/20/13, 6:51 AM

    2:52: The interpretation of Shari'a law-- “Many consider the punishments prescribed by some countries' interpretation of Islamic law to be "barbaric and cruel". Islamic scholars argue that, if implemented properly, the punishments serve as a deterrent to crime.[120] In international media, practices by countries applying Islamic law have fallen under considerable criticism at times. This is particularly the case when the sentence carried out is seen to greatly tilt away from established standards of international human rights. This is true for the application of the death penalty for the crimes of adultery, blasphemy, apostasy and homosexuality, amputations for the crime of theft, and flogging for fornication or public intoxication.[121]” (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia)

    You didn't say you lived under Shari'a law. Neither have I.

    Now, I don't know where you get the idea that I "don't believe in any type of punishment." I argue that the money would be spent more effectively on nurturing children, and that we would then have fewer people to incarcerate, thus reducing the cost to society. I would much rather have a child raised not to rape my daughter than to have to settle for the dissatisfaction of seeing him freed from prison after only twenty years.

    If you want a better society, then either you want to invest in the children or you want imprisonment to include more money for rehabilitation. It would be nice to have a recidivism rate that is only 30 percent. Which are you willing to work for?

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  14. I am willing to do what is right for society not the convicted criminal .
    As far a Sharia law ,I lived in a country that practiced it.
    I respected the laws of that country and didnt want to experience what would happen if I didnt.
    Where did I get the idea that you dont want to punish any convicted criminal?
    Well I got that from every post that you comment on the prison here in town. You keep saying its cheaper to rehab than put someone in jail or prison. .Lets rehab over and over.
    I feel you have made where you stand on the subject well known.
    Now please answer the questions posed to you above so we can see where you really stand.
    They are tough questions that will force you to show where you stand if something happened to you or your family instead of deflecting the questions .

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  15. Chuck , we are still waiting for you answers.

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    1. chuck gregory4/20/13, 4:49 PM

      4:03, If there's a question I haven't answered, please ask it again.

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    2. chuck gregory4/20/13, 4:57 PM

      And, by the way, here's something about other countries' children doing much better than our kids because those countries invest in their children. They also have far lower incarceration rates, hint, hint....


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  16. 1.If someone hurt or did damage to you or your family What would you want done?
    2.If you had a child that was raped or injured by someone do you feel that no time should be done by the convicted person? or just rehab?
    Where did I get the idea that you dont want to punish any convicted criminal?
    Well I got that from every post that you comment on the prison here in town. You keep saying its cheaper to rehab than put someone in jail or prison. .Lets rehab over and over.
    All you talk about is education and the cost of prison.
    If you would open your eyes you would see we dont live in utopia where all is perfect.People commit crimes.
    Never has there been a society where there havent been people willing to damage to others. Or steal or do drugs or rape and pillage .
    3.So what do you propose we do with those people ?
    Now please answer the questions posed to you above so we can see where you really stand.
    They are tough questions that will force you to show where you stand if something happened to you or your family instead of deflecting the questions .

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  17. chuck gregory4/20/13, 8:12 PM

    5:18:

    1. People have stolen from me and damaged my property, the police knew who they were and dealt with them according to established procedures, and I was still burned about it two and more years later. However, what I wanted-- heads on pikes, basically-- is not what the law allows.

    2. Ah, the Michael Dukakis question! See #1. One has to accept that the law will be duly followed. Obeying the law prevents a whole lot of inter-familial and clan vendettas (e.g., the Hatfields and McCoys).

    Where did I ever say that people should be rehabilitated rather than put in prison? You infer from insufficient evidence. I say that CHILDREN can be nurtured properly far more cheaply than they can be incarcerated as adults. I say that you CANNOT depend on incarceration to be rehabilitative; they are two different things.

    The rehabilitation/reparation work done by the Justice Center and Court Diversion (admitted, they deal with relatively minor offenses) has a success rate of about 85%; the failure rate of incarceration is about 85%.

    DO NOT expect that putting someone in prison is going to solve a problem. While it will punish them for their misdeed, it will only for the most part delay its recurrence. If you want the problem solved, work for something that will solve it-- and that means in addition to punishment, r-e-h-a-b-i-l-i-t-a-t-i-o-n.... And in the case of preventing criminality, empowering parents to do the best for their children. I know, it's a little hard to wrap your head around it, but it works. I recommend you read up on "resource assets."

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  18. Answered like a true politician ,lots of words but no definitive answer.

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  19. not his evil twin4/21/13, 7:34 AM

    You'll have to be more specific than that, 11:28.

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  20. I think he/she were asking you to be more specific.

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    1. No, that's the usual parting shot of someone who can't continue an argument.

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    2. Chuck you lost another one I see.

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  21. chuck gregory4/22/13, 8:11 AM

    Well, it's clear that somebody has to be more specific, and since I can do better at it:

    How I personally feel about my wife getting raped and murdered (the Michael Dukakis question) is not as important to society as having in place not only the structure that will punish the offender. As I said previously, I felt extremely vengeful and vindictive toward mere burglars-- and that was of my business, not my personal property. If I cannot accept that society's definition and prosecution of punishment for the offender is sufficient, then I am likely to engage in a feud and to encourage my relatives to help with it. When a large number of people feel that way, the whole society descends into tribalism.

    Therefore, it is in society's interest to see that offenders are sufficiently punished,
    but I have to accept that although the punishment inflicted might not be enough to satisfy my need for revenge, I have to accept what society has established.

    Now, it is also in society's interest to see that children are raised to avoid becoming offenders.

    It is well known that it is cheaper to raise children well than to incarcerate them for criminality.

    It is also known that incarceration does not prevent repetition of criminal behavior.

    Therefore, simply to throw the book at offenders is short-sighted for four reasons: First, it is reactive, a knee-jerk reflex to a problem which could have been averted. Second, based on personal feelings it overlooks the need to address a larger and more important problem-- that of preventing the criminal mentality. Third, it does not solve the problem. Fourth, as it does not solve the problem but is seen as the only solution, it invites expansion of "throwing the book" to greater and greater areas, to the point at which we get flogging, amputation, stoning to death, etc.

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    1. Fifth,even if you could magically snap your fingers and give eevryone a college aducation and educate them the way you want it doesnt solve the problem that faces all of us right now. The criminals that are attacking you and me.
      You can beat the child education drum all you want and you can be the most correct and right person in the world.
      It wont help when you get robbed or raped by one of the low baby weight uneducated anti social people that number in the tens and hundreds of thousands that are roaming the streets as we write.
      You have your thoughts and the majority of us have other thoughts.
      Its interesting to see that revenge is a thought in your mind.
      At 8:34 on 4/18 you were quite sarcastic regarding thinking others might be vindictive.......glad to see you are coming around Chuck.
      There might be hope for you yet.

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    2. chuck gregory4/22/13, 6:16 PM

      Vindictiveness is no substitute for giving children--and adults for that matter-- motivation to do better in their lives.

      Information is starting to come out about the family life of the Marathon bombers-- the father was a tyrant, the mother retreated into religiosity, the whole family was a problem for the neighborhood, and the friends of the younger one were dumbfounded to find that this pleasant young man was involved in such barbarism.

      I would be a really vengeful person did I not realize that society can deal more effectively with the child who is growing up to be the next Ted Bundy or Tamurlan Tsariev than I could by wreaking vengeance on him. Two wrongs don't make a better society.

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  22. If my child was raped I guarantee he wouldnt do it again to anyones child.
    Simple enough.
    Call me barbaric call me a heathen but you wont be calling me to say that my child was raped by that person ever again.

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  23. I'm Glad there busting these so called gansta idiots, stay down in the city nobody wants your gansta bullshit up here in vermont, Lets keep vermont for vermont style people, They couldnt make it in the city so they come to small towns and try the big city bullshit it dosnt take the cops to long to figure out what there up to. this isnt the city with 20 crack dealers on every corner they fricken stupid if they think they not going to be noticed. go back to where you came from punks...

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  24. You people have nothing better to do?? Instead of arguing online get out there n form a neighborhood watch,citizens on patrol!! Or something for fucks sake. Or run for office and change the damn laws or write a congressmen... Jesus. Bickering children will bicker

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