Published May 5, 2012 in the Rutland Herald
Kids must be first priority
I would like to encourage Springfield voters to vote yes on the Springfield school budget on May 8.
As a mother of three school-aged children (who all attend different schools), a substitute teacher and an active PTA member and officer for over seven years, I have seen first-hand the diligent work that is happening in our schools. During this time, I have also seen the negative impact consecutive and dramatic budget cuts have had on our school system. The impact of these cuts can be seen in ever-increasing class sizes, vanished programs, and tighter materials budgets. While the staff have been able to still find the means to provide some extra educational experiences for their students, it is getting more difficult to do so, and at some point these extra items will no longer be feasible to maintain.
Many people have said that they voted no in response to negative information that they have heard or to express that they are unhappy with a certain district employee or policy. Voting no as an objector, hoping to “send a message” doesn’t work out that way in the end; all that’s accomplished is that more educational personnel, services or opportunities are cut directly from the children. I would implore that these people express their displeasure in other ways and realize that Springfield’s children and their education truly must be our first priority.
The fact is that Springfield’s children and their future are being enhanced by the extra experiences that schools can provide. Opportunities like field trips, visiting authors, and community service expose children to a bigger world and often are the inspiration towards their future plans. I am worried that these extra programs and activities will get lost if we continue to trim the budget down to and beyond bare bones. At this point, the budget is no longer even providing all the basic materials needed in the classrooms. We must do better and we can.
Springfield voters, when you step into the voting booth on May 8, please think of the kids and vote yes.
LORI PRUE-BERTONE
Springfield
Saturday, May 5, 2012
Opinion: Kids must be first priority
I would like to encourage Springfield voters to vote yes on the Springfield school budget on May 8.
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Cut more. Get the unions out. No more government pensions. VOTE NO!!!!
ReplyDeleteBy voting no you will not accomplish any of the above, you will only embolden the unions to be more active and protect their own during the next negotiation period.
DeleteIn an age of corporate greed and shrinking workers rights, I'd rather see teachers keep their union. Teacher are required to be highly educated, highly qualified, if you want to stop that, you need to talk to the Federal Government.
DeleteI have to laugh at this..Kid must be our first priorty but yet you want to pay an ill functioning administration to abuse them. WOW it is unbelievable the lengths gone to keep the illegal hierarchy functioning. The people pushing the yes vote are the same individuals whose power position is challenged.
ReplyDeleteLet's see..the board and the administration publically said nothing happened yet the State Department of Education stated that something did happen and the schools did use the rooms for discipline. Hmmm do we really want to give these people more money to continue doing things like this? I think we need to re-evaluate who is running our schools and that includes the the school board. Voting NO forces change. It doesnt close down the school and it doesnt force any kids to do without. That is all hype. If my generation made it through school without para's and all the extra bullshit then we can make it a year.
It looks more like the district wants to pass this budget to fund their growing legal issues which shouldn't be the residents obligation. Let the district figure out how to get themselves out of the problem THEY CREATED by not following the law and by not ensuring the staff were competant enough to be working in our schools.
Your generation did not require the school district to be the social service agency and catch all for our societal issues. Kids of your day were not mainstreamed. Parents of your generation did not waste their lives away on drugs forcing their kids into deplorable living conditions. The teachers of your generation did not have to teach kindergarten kids basic skills they should be getting at home. Also, your generation did not have to work under the restraints of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND.
DeleteI am not saying the school should have to deal with all of these issue, but the fact is they are the dumping ground. Schools and education in general are not the same places they were even 20 years ago. We have put too much responsibility on schools to RAISE our children instead of just EDUCATING our children.
This is not just a SPRINGFIELD problem, but SPRINGFIELD is the only town in Vermont that continues to repeatedly vote NO on its school budget and put itself further and further behind the eight ball.
Are their problems with our schools? YES, but they will not be fixed by voting NO on Tuesday they will only be exacerbated. Vote Yes on Tuesday.
How does either of the above produce a good educational environment for Springfield's children?
ReplyDeleteIt would be helpful if either of you would state what you think children should have in a classroom.
vote no..
ReplyDeleteJust think of how much we could accomplish if everyone channeled their negative energy into constructive action towards improving our town and schools. We need more residents like Lori who are willing to do what is needed and who stand behind their opinions. The nay-sayers have created instability at our schools for decades and it has not and will not serve to improve our schools. It is time to support our schools and to work constructively towards improvement.
ReplyDeletere: "Voting no as an objector, hoping to “send a message” doesn’t work out that way in the end"
ReplyDeleteYou're dead wrong LPB. The no vote forced the school board to address discipline and terminate the superintendent's contract. A yes vote only reinforces the status quo. Vote NO Tuesday and force the school board to address incompetent teachers, wasteful spending, failing NECAP scores and an embarrassing dropout rate.
Ethan, your comments are in contrast to the majority vote. With most of those being working class property owners that fuel this rat hole. For someone that relies on the public sector for their livelihood, that doesn't show sound judgment. A lawyer with poor judgment is a liability to his client. Capiche?
The working class is the class that is hurt most by school budget failures.
DeleteNot exactly clear why a "No" vote would be expected to accomplish anything with regards to allegedly incompetent teachers, failing NECAP scores, or the dropout rate. In fact a "No" vote is likely to accomplish exactly the opposite.
DeleteOh good grief Anon 6:36. Get a clue. Change started before the vote, when people started coming to the school board meetings. The first no vote cost positions and hurt programs. Another no vote will cost more positions and will eliminate some programs. The only change voting "no" causes is job loss and cutting services and programs our kids need. The more we cut, the less money we get from the state.
DeleteAnonymous, Rather than voting no, how about showing up at a school board meeting and making constructive suggestions on specific steps to be taken? The collateral damage of cutting funding in order to go after other issues is unnecessary and counter-productive. When residents showed up and voiced their issues re Elm Hill in force at the meeting, the school board acted. That is how we get changes, not by taking it out on the kids by cutting the funding to their schools.
ReplyDeleteSave your personal attacks for someone afraid to stand behind what they believe in. Helping the schools and the town improve is in the best interest of all Springfield residents. If I did not believe that, I would not put my name to it. Cutting teachers and programs when your real goal is aimed at test scores or other issues is irresponsible. When budgets are cut the board cannot make cuts based on merit, the cuts are based on least tenure.
Ethan-For years parents have showed up and made complaints to both the board, the superintendant and to the state. They resulted in parents and families having the label "troublemaker" and other terms. They were called that by your school board and staff. Now, the majority spoke and THAT my friend is what caused the change NOT the school board meeting. There would NOT have been a meeting had the budget passed. Further, the reason the board decided to listen was because of the school surveys which they used to gauge what angle and what issues caused the budget vote to pass. And lastly you have a vested interest in the school budget passing. Your family members who are employed by the system.
ReplyDeleteThe problems that were uncovered are not the end of the issues for the district. Wait and see there are other things that will surface that the public didn't know about. Mark my words!
Fear mongering is counter productive. There is no grand conspiracy happening. What we have is a societal problem and the break down of families and a sense of entitlement from parents. Schools are meant to educate our children not raise them and too many Parents expect schools to raise these kids.
DeleteI wouldn't want any of the schools admin's jobs. The state and federal governments mandate one thing, the parents want another, and the detractors want to cut funding for everything. The ignorance and ability of people to see the other side is staggering.
Whoops my bad. The above was to say "caused the budget vote to NOT pass"
ReplyDeletekids DO NOT come first in springfield's schools SO why would anyone vote yes,,,VOTE NO
ReplyDeleteHow does a 25 or 26 million dollar school budget make any sense for a town our size. It's the irresponsible spending and contracts made with unions. Unions may have had a place at one time but now they are way too big and irresponsible with money. Just like the government.
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DeleteIt's not about the kids, and it never has been. It's about unions, bloated budgets, incompetent teachers and wasteful spending. Want proof? Appeal for a drug free work place with random screening and see how the teacher's union reacts.
ReplyDeleteVOTE NO. Springfield deserves better.
right on right on.
DeleteReally!!! What world do you live on? As a school staff member, I would welcome random drug testing as would 98% of my fellow workers if there was a drug problem, there is NO drug problem with staff!!! As with many other responses, you really don't know what you are talking about....
DeleteI doubt you would get much pushback from the teachers if you decided to waste money on drug testing for teachers. This is just silly rant at this point.
DeleteAnonymous at 10 P.M. give me a break. I support the schools because it is the right thing to do for our students and community. It has nothing to do with my brother. The rif lists are public, he is not on it or at risk of being on it.
ReplyDeleteI went to the budget committee meeting and the following school board meeting. It was radio silence with respect to suggestions from people who voted NO as to budget issues they wanted addressed. I can't speak for prior boards, I do know this Board has shown it will act when issues are raised.
The preschool program and another para was cut as "collateral damage" for the cost of using this as a referendum rather than a budget cut. We cannot afford anymore cuts.
Nobody was talking about the RIF lists. What the RIF's cause are the cut of the individuals who take the blame for teachers who have been tenured in. Those tenured teachers then are forced to make it or break it. In other words if they cannot teach students the basics they are then scrutinized more so as to their performance.
DeleteWe CAN do more with less and saying otherwise to fear people into voting is just crazy. If the district is so aweful for the teachers then my suggestion is please feel free to pick up and move yourself to another district. Nobody is forcing the teachers to stay in an employment situation.
We need innovation on behalf of the staff not stagnant minded people who think the answer is throwing more and more money at a problem. THAT hasn't proven to work so far so it requires a deeper look into the issues and problems. The current environment is less than conducive for learning and the current population is not and cannot afford to continue to hear more money more money with absolutely no improvement. I think the voters need to evaluate the current situation and see this concerted push has deeper meaning. It isn't for the children it is for the administration and whatever else the future holds for this district. Every single budget for 10 years we have heard doom and gloom...oh the kids will suffer. NO they won't the staff will and that isn't my concern.
well put, thank you.
DeleteThank you Ethan. You are probably debating with one person who has no job and a lot of time on his hands. You are appreciated. Our teachers are appreciated. Our kids are appreciated. Vote yes.
DeleteAnonymous 1:52. "Fear" is not a verb. Innovation which would address the drop-out rate or improve teaching is unlikely when the budget is already scraping the bone, and the administration and teaching staff are hunkered down because of the "witch hunts". Its time to stop the stupidity, pass the budget, and get on with solving problems.
Deletevote no
ReplyDeleteParents of school age children in Springfield constituted 20% of the population when my son was in school. That was the same percentage as non-whites in the US population. The other 80% of the voters had the privilege of treating us the same way they felt like treating the Hmong, the African-Americans, the Latinos, the Orientals, etc.
ReplyDeleteThere were those who believed educational perfection was achieved in 1945 and nothing more ever should have been changed. There were those who thought that teaching wasn't real work, and those who thought like any other "calling," teaching shouldn't pay well. And those who no longer had children in the school system and didn't see the need to educate anybody else's.
But every time the machine tool industry rebounded and new middle class management came to town, there were people who understood that nobody goes it alone-- we can only do well individually when we take care of one another. The child who has good teachers is going to become the cop who answers my call, the pharmacist who fills my scrip, the accountant who keeps me out of trouble with the IRS. And the child who has bad teachers is going to become the kid who keys my car, sells dope to my grandchild, increases my taxes to pay for his incarceration. Those immigrants to Springfield, even when they didn't have kids, saw to it that we had a great supervisor-- Dave McDonald-- who energized the teachers and gave us some really good years.
Larry Carbonetti, one of the Springfield greats, told me, "I had a classroom across from the superintendent's office in my New Jersey school-- and he never once visited me in three years I was there. The first week Dave McDonald was on the job, he visited every teacher."
McDonald got railroaded out of Springfield. Bruce Lawlor led the attack. He told one teacher, "My job is to get rid of McDonald." He did, and then he left town. He didn't have a kid in the system. Springfield paid the price for his hatchet job. And we're still paying it.
This is all by way of saying It takes a breadth of vision and a generosity of spirit to understand how important it is to educate children well. People who have complaints with no proposed remedy except to cut the school budget. . .
Right on the mark as usual Chuck.
DeleteUMMM HELLOOO-The remedy is widely used. It is a common strategy to realign a district. It is called cutting the fat and putting the focus and in some cases pressure where it needs to be..on the staff who either can translate the material to students or who cannot. Those individuals skillset are looked at and hopefully in a properly functioning system, they will be rated as such.
ReplyDeleteNow, another option available which is highly effective is for parents to files a lawsuit for failure to educate. That is another method which can be very effective at getting a district to properly evaluate its staff. However that is not needed here. We need the budget reduced and our school district needs to learn to operate within its budget and to not continue to hire staff they cannot afford. If they could afford the current staff there would have been no need for a budget increase (other than fuel costs) and no need to raise the budget except to adjust for those fuel costs.
Chuck,
ReplyDeleteYou will find no bigger advocate of "talented" teachers then me. My own career path was reinforced by such a teacher I continue to have respect for. But throwing money at the budget does nothing to insure existing teacher competency. The job market is full of good teachers. We just need to clean house and make room for them.
I speak with teachers often and there is significant contempt and moral issues regarding tenure of bad teachers, and guidance counselors. Those just coasting for the retirement pension.
As an technology sector employer I have never once been called or visited by a guidance counselor. Nor have any of my counterparts. Nor have I ever heard of a teacher or guidance counselor visiting a recruiter to learn first hand of academic requirements for their career fields. Absolutely unacceptable.
Vote for change, vote NO.
There are no teachers coasting for the retirement pension in this district. You have to be kidding! There are only newer, and young Guidance Counselors in the district.
DeleteAnd the teachers who truly changed my life and helped shape who I am, are still there, and they are still the best.
It is not about age, it is about dedication and skill. There are new teachers who are flat out terrible. People seem to be conservative on here, yet they want to cut the teachers who have the most experience and wisdom and understand all the ebbs and flows of teaching theories, and educational approaches. Classical education is the best, kids are being moved to NECA, and it's many of the newer teachers have no idea what that even means. Colleges teach the newest trends, and the trend is for "student centered, skills based not content based, and hand's on, etc." What type of education did you have? Vote yes, keep good teachers, principals needs to do their job and complete teacher evaluations and stay on top of them.
"The job market is full of good teachers."
DeleteIt's true.
However, good teachers need a supportive community. As it is, I barely feel welcome. I'm a new teacher in town. The combination of the budget failure and reading these comments is making me realize that it's time head somewhere that doesn't hold educators in such contempt.
These negative comments come from one or two people with a lot of time on his or her hands. Don't be disheartened.
DeleteAnonymous 6:08, it is very sad that these newer teachers are "speaking to you" and expressing contempt for the veteran teachers. Showing significant contempt? These people should not be working for the district if they are that bitter and nasty.
DeleteYou have no clue. You speak from complete ignorance of what goes on in the schools. Troll much?
DeleteAnonymous at 6:08: I suggest you teach in any Springfield school for a week to get an idea of what it takes to be an inspiring teacher and whether or not teachers are worth what they're paid. Have you asked the school district to have guidance counselors visit you? Have you made efforts to visit them?
ReplyDeleteGreta: Half of the teachers in America are considering bailing out. You are watching the 80% cut the throat of the 100%.
The diversions and distractions continue to try and turn townspeoples' eyes away from the contents of the budget through tactics of "appreciation for teachers" and "kids must be the first priority".
ReplyDeleteFor the many months (or years) that the school budget has been in question, no one - superintendent, board member(s), reporter(s)s, or blogger(s) - has made the actual line item budget easily available for review. It has received the usual perfunctory attention from the "Budget Advisory Committee", but in no way has the budget ever truly been exposed to the light of day where the average taxpayer/voter can actually see where the money is going and then make constructive inquiries about it.
The town and school websites, which could easily post this information, are conspicuously lacking of it. Even the "Reports of Springfield School District" and the "Superintendent's Report" contained in the Annual Town Report consist of mere platitudes and generalities, intentionally designed, I'm sure, to avoid specifics on such matters.
Folks, we're not being given the truth. We're being strung along with the same old tactics of dragging the budget up for vote after vote after vote until it finally passes with only token cuts. Boards and Budget Advisory Committees are no help and their judgment should not be trusted.
Until the line item budget is posted for all to see exactly where and how the school system intends to spend $27M of our money, A NO VOTE IS THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE VOTE!
I began attending School Board meetings the day before the last budget vote. There were many people present, most were employees of the District who were accompanied by their spouses. A detailed line item analysis of the proposed budget was passed out. The budget was severely criticized, and many of those attending the meeting were frustrated that significant changes in the proposed budget were not going to be made the night before the budget was put to a vote.
DeleteSchool Board Chair Scott Adnams asked a very pertinent question: "Where were all of you when the budget was being constructed over the last several months?" It was exactly what everyone who contributes to this blog and others should think about. If we want to be taken seriously, whatever our positions are, we have to get away from our computers and television sets and attend School Board meetings. Doing that will put names and faces on critics who like to sign their posts "Anonymous". Since one person can post many posts signed "Anonymous", even conduct a dialogue with himself, most readers discount the posts as unimportant.
When persons like Ethan McNaughton and Chuck Gregory post comments, though I sometimes differ with these gentlemen on their positions, I think long and hard about what they say and how they say it. They are intelligent articulate people, brave enough to state a position, back it up with facts, and sign their full names. This town needs more people of the same stamp, on both sides of issues.
Once the budget is settled, I hope that Chuck hosts dicussions in the Town Library or elsewhere regarding the frustrating issues that plague our school district. It is obvious to all that there is plenty of room for improvement in Springfield's schools and for cost savings, but improvements and cost savings will not happen unless creative problem solving techniques are used. Positive changes are not going to happen just by passing any budget proposed, or voting down any budget proposed. As a community we need to set specific goals and work 12 months of the year toward those goals.
Thank you Chris.
DeleteHorse hockey. The budgetary process in Springfield is frozen in time, as is the town. That process can be opened up for all to contribute to via the internet, but the school systems refuses to do so because they don't want to have to confront what they'll receive that way. Better to just continue "business as usual" in Springfield by holding meetings like they always have and knowing that they'll generate a limited turnout. That way they can continue to criticize the critics for not having showed up. It's the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand. As long as he doesn't look up, then he's not responsible, nor does he think he'll be seen by others.
DeleteA few years ago the board actually requested budgetary suggestions be submitted to an email address. It's unknown what came of those suggestions because, once again, the school system or board never made any of them public and therefore they would bear no accountability for actions or inactions based on such suggestions. I'm convinced that entire endeavor was merely an attempt to patronize any critics - create the illusion of giving them a say in the process and then just continuing on with business as usual.
All of you braggarts out there who claim to have attended so many school board meetings ought to be embarrassed by your lack of effectiveness in moving the board to ratify a fiscally responsble school budget.
Until the line item budget is posted for all to see exactly where and how the school system intends to spend $27M of our money, A NO VOTE IS THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE VOTE!
ReplyDeleteI agree!!!
The line item budget is made public at the meetings. They have printed copies available for everyone. What, do you just want it emailed to you so you can continue to armchair quarterback anonymously through your computer? Go to the meetings and make a difference.
DeleteWhen is the next meeting? I know the next vote is tomorrow.
DeleteTo Jackwagon Anonymous 1:25 - believe it or not, some of us actually perform work out of town and around the world, and aren't available for the cozy little school board meetings at which the "printed" budgets are handed out. So stuff your armchair quarterback crap and get real. It's the 21st century - put the damn budget online.
DeleteI agree and really would like to point out that in the budget I think "itemized" is an important term because what we see is a "grouping" within the line items which is a gray area because that is where alot of costs are hidden.
DeleteEvery business should put their entire budget line by line on the internet, huh? Too much toilet paper? Cut it. Too much in "duplicating services"? Cut it. Can't we trust the people who are on the board and the entire budget committee to do this? Do we put out budget information that most people not involved in the inner workings of a school or a business don't understand and let them waste everyone's time questioning every single thing? Nightmare. Calm down.
DeleteWell, every other district has their budget line by line online why not Springfield? Unless of course they have something to hide. And to answer your question NO we cannot trust the board or the super. As you have seen our super lied and said that nothing happened at Elm Hill. The state DOE proved otherwise. The board blew off that they had knowledge ( a common legal tactic) as proven by one board members RANT. Missing money unaccounted for (10k) just replaced with money from this years budget. The list goes on and on. Hell no I dont trust not one of them and you expect me to think they would be honest when it comes to budget...NO WAY
DeleteIf any "no" voters would like to be interviewed for a story in tomorrow's Rutland Herald please contact me ASAP.
ReplyDeleteChristian Avard
christian.avard@rutlandherald.com
Christian, I am voting YES. Can I email you?
Deletevote no......teachers are getting 3-4 percent raises every year
ReplyDeleteThey didn't have a raise last year, and health insurance went up. Check your facts. Do you complain when doctors or nurses or police or fire men get raises? I bet no! Teachers are professionals. They have college degrees, some have many. Why do they deserve any less then the next profession? And they have the hardest job of all. Teaching children of ignorant, selfish people like yourself.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify the fire department has not seen a pay increase or cola increase for the last 3 years.
DeleteBALONEY!....why the lie?
DeleteShould have been more specific, ABOVE comment was directed at Anon @ 6:15
DeleteKnock off the "entitlement" crap and the fairness mantra that teachers "deserve" this or that.
DeleteIt's free country. If teachers of a certain locality don't think they're being fairly compensated, then they have the freedom of choice to relocate to other districts.
The bottom line here in Springfield is that our budgets need to be affordable and this one isn't. There are probably many changes that could be instituted to reduce the budget while preserving pay, but this administration and this board have refused to even attempt to do so.
VOTE NO ON THE STATUS QUO AND DEMAND FURTHER REDUCTIONS.
To Baloney why lie? WHere is your proof of a cola or pay increase?
DeleteThank you ANON @ 11:05. I am so sick of hearing the yes people harping on about what is deserved. You know what you hit the nail on the head. If you don't like it then switch schools. Nobody is forcing them to stay here.
DeleteIf they have anyone to blame they should blame their school board for taking the cuts from staffing instead of administration and central budget. They should blame the board for approving raises two months before budget for the administrators and principals knowing they would have to cut staff.
or the police department or highway or water and sewer departments.....have had no cola either...
ReplyDeleteThe BALONEY's getting deep around here!
Deletenot baloney , just ask town office , they will tell ya.....
ReplyDeleteI don't have to "ask" anybody. I've worked for one of the departments listed above for over ten years. I got raises every year and thats true!
DeleteSo, when did you stop working for that department? You speak in the past tense. Do you know how much the public employment picture has changed in the last two years?
DeleteChuck, "I've worked for" doesn't traslate to "past tense". Otherwise I'd have said "I used to work for....." I'm currently employed in the same position. Thanks.
DeleteI don't know what department you work for but I know first hand that there has been NO cola for town employees
DeleteYeahhhhhh! It passed!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteGood triumphs!
Thank you Ethan, for your hard work.
DeleteChris Coughlin has the germ of a good idea-- have a continual forum not on the budget, but on how Springfield teachers would like to see for a school system. Think of it as reverse engineering of the typical American school system. The premier educational system in the world at this time is in Finland, and as I've pointed out before, teachers, not administrators, drive the education.
ReplyDeleteAnybody want to see this happen? We can couple the results with funding to make it real.
A couple of things most people don't know about education: 1. If you want the bad teachers out, you want teachers doing peer evaluations and you want the administration to act on those evaluations. 2. If you want teachers who will stick with their profession despite poor pay, you listen to them and follow their recommendations.
I am continually amazed at people who think nothing of paying a 9% tax for a MdDonald's meal and scream to high heaven about a school tax that by comparison is miniscule. We happily pay to poison ourselves and bridle at the cost of preparing children for a world of change.
Chuck, I like the idea of peer evaluations, but am not sure the union would go for it. It is pretty amazing how busy the Mcdonalds is in Springfield.
DeleteTeachers evaluating teachers? So any teacher can review any other teacher? That's ridiculous. How about following student evaluations? Who do the kids respect?
DeleteThe kids respect the easiest teachers and the teachers that make them work the least, not the best.
DeleteNow that it passed I would like to see teachers actually teach, not complain about not having anything to teach with. I will also wait to hear the news of Frank Perotti's return. The school pulled the wool over all of your eyes. They said that Frank was being let go however the budget didn't go down THAT much. He will be back in the drivers seat within a few months.
ReplyDeleteFRank will be back in the drivers seat on Wednesday morning, but not when his contract is up.
DeleteOh for heaven's sake...shut it. No more aliens, no more men in black coming to get you, no more Perotti is coming to get you and rob the town blind.
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