Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Residents turn out to discuss downtown shooting

Increased police patrols on foot and improved cooperation between town and school officials on fighting drugs in Springfield were two of the suggestions Monday night at a public meeting in the wake of a downtown shooting last week.
http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20120717/NEWS02/707179886

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  1. I have to agree partially with Mr. Yesman. It is a drug problem in addition to an economic problem. Boredom tends to breed bad behavior.

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    1. Gibson's naive denial of fact is unacceptable for someone responsible for enacting community safety. Her idealistic, ignorant assessment of this matter puts a neighborhood at risk.

      Stephanie sweetheart, you'd do well listen to someone like Mr. Yesman. He is one of the last holdouts in this awful neighborhood,and any observations he shares are irrefutable fact. Now go back to serving chow to those who blew their EBT card funding on drugs and alcohol.

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    2. I also agree with Mr. Yesman.

      Is it true that section 8 housing has to pass certain requirements by the state/fed?

      If you live in section 8 housing, are there rules?

      Why did a felon from N.J. come here? Was (is) he on parole?

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    3. Great questions. Who has the answers?

      More questions???
      Who is his wife?
      How can she endanger her children like that?

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  2. Springfield's flacid town management and its clueless electorate have led to this despicable situation. A town so desperate that it agreed to locate a prison within its borders and a management team so incompetent that it has continued to dole out band aids to a town that is suffering from a sucking chest wound! A formerly iconic machine tool capital has become a laughing stock, yet seems oblivious to that fact as it revels in the idiocy of being the designated homeo of similarly idiotic cartoon characters. The term "economic development" has become just two dirty words in a majority of voters' minds, while they continue to vote public funds or tax relief for nonsensical projects that only serve to add another straw to an already weak camel whose back is now closer to the breaking point than it's ever been.

    Welcome to Springfield...Shots fired...Shots fired!

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  3. re: "send a message to the rest of the region that downtown shootings would not be tolerated." - Ethan McNaughton

    That's right, any more shootings and we're gonna have another meeting!

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  4. blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!!!! See i can do it too and not even require anyone to come out of their house. Stay in and keep your feet up and let me tell you what was figured out and decided last night.....blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! I guess you cannot expect anything more from a bunch of half wit hill people...inbreeding so long that they bred the common sense right out!

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  5. Did Nick Brown also name his drug dealer friends and who robbed Rite Aid? Don't be afraid to come forward....

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    1. That was quite a show he put on and the newspaper fell for it. Everyone knows who robbed Rite Aid.

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    2. I was pretty impressed with his soliloquy as well. It kind of reminded me of the scene from the of Rocky V, where Rock is talking about change: "If I can change and you can change, then we all can change."

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    3. It was a great show. He has not "reformed.". Search his home and see who the drug dealer is.

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  6. That was truly an amazing example of complete non-action by the Selectboard. Although I hate to do what so many Anonymous' do on this blog, I believe it is time for a mass recall petition against the Selectboard.

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    1. Aethelred the Unready7/17/12, 7:30 PM

      Although I agree the meeting was pretty amazing, I think the Selectboard should be given until next month to adopt a plan to start abating these public nuisances as was requested, and to implement some of the action oriented requests. If they don't act by the next meeting, then yes it will be obvious that we have an incompetent board which should be replaced via a recall petition. But they are overcoming decades of lethargic Selectboard tradition which has dampened efforts to improve the Town, last night they were caught like deer in the headlights -- if they behave the same way next month, however, then by all means run them over.

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  7. Just think if we the citizens of Springfield had not got dooped by Howard Dean and his prison we wouldn't find ourselves in this state of dilemma! Thanks to all those who voted for the prison now look at the state of this town. You wanted it now you got it!

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    1. Exactly. How do you undo a prison town?

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    2. Ask Woodstock.

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    3. The prison has nothing to do with the problems in Springfield...the fact it is the hub for the social welfare and mental health services is the main issue.

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    4. Aethelred the Unready7/20/12, 7:29 PM

      It might have just a teenee weenee bit to do with the problem given that most of the people involved in the incident had prison records, and it seems unlikely that a drug trafficker from NJ would just randomly pick Springfield, Vermont to relocate to when he had a gang death mark on him in NJ and an outstanding warrant for his arrest in NJ. You are correct that it is not all of the problem, but to say it has "nothing to do with the problem", I think that is a bit of a stretch. Although the rumor running rampant around town is that the prison guard families that were imported into town brought the gangs, not the prisoners who were released here. Don't know if that is true or not, one would probably have to investigate the landlords and recent fires in town to connect the dots in that regard.

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    5. That particular person has had family here in the area for 10+ years. The reaso so many drug dealers and gang members come here is the massive drug profits.

      VT does not house out of state prisoners, we send ours out of state though.

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    6. The prison changed our town and our schools... Just did. Period.

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  8. chuck gregory7/18/12, 11:29 AM

    There are short range and long range solutions to the problem of drugs and gangs. If you don't focus on the long range solutions, the short range ones will always be inadequate and ultimately counterproductive.

    Here's what should be focused on:

    1. The "low taxes" bogeyman. It takes taxes to provide a good life for any community. When a town doesn't have a strong capital base and is not permitted to have an income tax, it has to either have really high property taxes or really lousy services. As I pointed out at that meeting, four more cops in town would cost each household less than three cups of coffee per week, but who is willing to see higher taxes?

    As for a capital base, the shops' "inventory tax" carried most of the load for a century. When that was phased out during the Wall Street piracy, property taxes rocketed. I am paying $1400 for my property worth $4800, a rate near 30%. In Arlington, Virginia, which has a massive capital base, my relatives's $170,000 condo costs them $418 in taxes. Springfield wants to lure industry to ease the property taxes by luring industry. This means using our tax dollars as a bribe and often foregoing taxes on a new business. As Ben & Jerry's shows, it might not stop there. We had to spend an extra $3 million in taxpayer'r money on improved sewerage to handle the factory waste after we landed them.

    The long-term solution is: . . . .

    2. As was pointed out at the meeting, the criminal behavior exhibited was the same displayed when it was a criminal offense to manufacture, sell or consume alcohol. If you want to eliminate the problem of drugs and gangs, treat drugs the same way we treat alcohol: regulate the manufacture, allow a reasonable profit to be made, tax the heck out of it and use the money for law enforcement, substance abuse education and prevention and treatment.

    I pointed out in an earlier post just how bad alcoholism is in the US. The problems presented by substance abuse are far, far less when you leave out the violence and destruction based on the for-profit parts of it.

    Decriminalization is coming, but you don't want corporations to be the ones in charge of producing and selling weed-- they make their money already encouraging addiction to nicotine and alcohol. We can eliminate the problem of drugs and gangs by being sure that an appropriate form of decriminalization is effected.

    3. It's not as cost effective luring industries into town as it is luring into town the middle class who already work here. If you look at the data, there were few families earning over $80,000 who live in Springfield. (Middle class is considered to range from $30,000 to $160,000). It is the middle class who set the tone for the community. They are well enough off to have the lesiure time to worry about how their kids are doing in school, yet not too wealthy to park them in a private school. So they engage. And they engage at all other levels of the community.

    Yet a number of well-off ones to whom I talked said they can't afford to live here. Let's change that.

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    1. Make Springfield a retirement community. Give incentives to the right people.

      Give the 55 and over crowd a good reason to live here.

      Then we can keep the Downtown, The landloards, the tax collector's and hospital profitable...

      We will only need a parking enforcement officer.

      a complete win win win for all involved.

      Not that anyone (from Springfield) ever listened before, but here is yet good idea that would work.

      The best part about it is it would bring families here.

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    2. Aethelred the Unready7/18/12, 6:02 PM

      I agree with #2. As to taxes luring industry one way or the other, probably not the case since the taxes are pretty level Statewide on industrial property. The single biggest economic bang we could land would be a real college -- not a CCV, but a real college. It could specialize in nursing, therapists, art, engineering, the environment...I don't really care, but it would have to offer all the courses here in such a manner that a person could complete the degree within 4 years -- all here, not by driving to various campuses all over the State. And it needs to be located in the middle of Town like at Park Street or the old Woolson building, not out at the abandoned Dufresne Henry buildings.

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    3. Froot Loops Aethelred! No real college will ever locate in Springfield. You are just promoting saving old defunct buildings with tax payer money while promoting a pipe dream. You need to stop smoking that crap!

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    4. Not to beat a dead horse, but so many middle class families in town that I know are looking for a way to sell their houses and get out. NOT because of taxes, but because the school system is such a mess. Don't get me wrong. We have some great teachers in our system and the high school is moving in a positive direction, but the elementary schools still have not recovered from their reorganization. Until families feel confident that their kids can get a safe and competitive education here, it's hard to envision holding on to the middle class. This one isn't only about money alone, it's about ethics and leadership.

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    5. George T. McNaughton7/19/12, 11:00 AM

      I have to weigh in on this one. It is very feasible to lure a real college into Springfield. While I was on the RVTC Board we had two colleges interested in coming to Springfield. The problem was that we tried to pave the way for them to come in at the Dean Center. That didn't work because: 1) the State Community Colleges had a seat at the table and they did not want competition even though they were not and still do not offer full programs; and 2) because the Vermont Department of Education which has control of accreditation blocked one of the NH Colleges (probably at the behest of VTC). The post-secondary element of the Dean Center failed because they gave a permanent seat at the table to colleges like CCV whose internal agendas did not call for Springfield to be a hub, instead it is used as a feeder for their campuses elsewhere. Anybody who has actual knowledge and spent some time analyzing the situation would know that is the reason Springfield, unlike nearly ever other community its size in the region does not have a real college. In addition, regardless of whether Aethelred is a shill or a multiple personality, he or she is right that the most important economic and social stimulus this community could get would be a real functioning full program college or graduate school. In addition, he or she is right that it would be preferrable if it were located towards the middle of Town. Anonymous 10:05 your comment is symptomatic of the type of thinking which is holding Springfield back.

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    6. And George your thinking is always a way to spend other people's money for whatever whim you and a few want to promote like saving Park Street.....

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    7. Aethelred the Unready7/20/12, 7:33 PM

      Interesting comment on George's thinking. Its hard to tell what Anonymous is thinking as you are legion. But the general gist I get is that you really don't want to save much of anything, you just want to surrender the Town to accelerating ruin, shrinking grand list, etc. Is that correct?

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  9. I wonder why 'The Current' (bus) takes so many people to work at Dartmouth and DHMC. I know, I know! There's employment in them thar hills!

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    1. Aethelred the Unready7/20/12, 7:36 PM

      Oh, it might have something to do with the fact they have a college up there, and all those dastardly progressives up around Lebanon, NH. Whose policies have caused the real estate values to skyrocket and the businesses to thrive. Shame on all those spendthrift progressives up there, when they could have a community like ours!

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  10. I live on the same street as the man accused of doing the shooting. He , his family and his girlfriend have made it very uncomfortable to live here. I grew up in Boston and I have seen somethings, but not like this. This man and his family .. yell ,scream ,use profanity and racial slurs .. they force people off the sidewalk .. I am afraid to let my kids go for a walk. We need neighbor policing . We also need the police to care .

    I had an event where an unbalanced person ( whom I didn't know ) stormed into my home , while I was holding my baby . This person was yelling and being aggressive to me . When I called the police they told me there was nothing they can do. Really?? Nothing??

    This person was a near-by renter I came to find out . No different than the man who has been accused of this shooting. Most of the issues as I see it come from passer by renters. I think the landlords need to be held accountable for who they are letting in.

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    1. Anonymous 8:08, I am really sorry you had to experience that, it must have been terrifying. I strongly urge you to contact the select board even via email and share you thoughts with them.

      I am amazed at how open people use vulagarity in this town. I have heard it at the plaza while getting ice cream with my kids and walking through downtown (people from the street screaming up at the people in the woolson block apartments. I said something to the people on Main Street and they looked at me like I had seven heads and all of a sudden got nervous that my face was about be eaten off.

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    2. If someone uninvited did storm inside your home the police certainly could do something if they had wanted to. I am sure if the same thing had happened to the town manager or one of the selectman they would have arrested the perp on the spot. It appears the the police have different rules for different people and that since you don't live in the right part of town you are not entitled to equal and fair treatment.

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    3. Yes Anonymous 8:08 email that to the select board like Anonymous 8:31 said and see what kind of non-action that gets you...lol

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    4. The name WHITE TRASH is worse than anonymous..

      At least when you use anonymous, we know we don't know who it is..

      When you post as White Trash.. I picture way to many faces from Springfield.

      And I think it is probably YOU, cousin.

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    5. Lol...hey how ya doin Cousin!

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    6. springfield police DONT care about ANYTHING unless it has to do with THEM or THEIR OWN FAMILY. The longer the shooter is off the street, the more drugs will be off the street, he was the main drug dealer of springfield vt...

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    7. Well of course they care, they are keeping your insurance rates down by arresting speeders. And we can't afford to keep these people in jail too long, because what would happen to all the rehab centers and the people offering courses for the betterment of their behavior. Its important to keep this wonderful system in place, its the circle of life you know -- drop out of high school, get into drugs to make a living, have a bunch of kids, wind up in prison, get out of prison, take courses, go back to prison, children terrorize the schools, go into the diversion program, become juvenile delinquents, graduate to the prison, have more kids, etc. Its the circle of life and we need to support it, as it keeps the peasants amused and provides renters to some enterprising landlords.

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  11. Isn't diversity great?!

    It's all about tolerance. So stop complaining.

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    1. racist.

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    2. Diversity is great, I wish we had more of it in this town. I would kill for some Mexican Thai or Indian food.
      Or some live African or Irish music or italian art.

      What is not great is crime and the police departments apathetic view of it.

      What is even worse is your ignorance.

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    3. Well we may have a lousy Chief of Police, but we have plenty of vocal intolerance and racism...hm, was Springfield part of the Confederacy?

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    4. Well Vermont does have the highest white population in the country. Springfield is very racist it goes back to the whole passing the blame on everything. "it must be those damned blacks you know" because nobody wants to admit that the overwhelming majority of drug abusers in Vermont and in the area are white and are locals.

      here is a shocking example...a local youth filmed himself trying to make a drug deal(its on youtube). When my child asked him if he was really using the particular drug the child responded that he was trying to buy some so when he returned to springfield he could make some money off "the dumb springdings" A very true story. This is a white collar youth whose family work in healthcare locally and are pretty respected family. needless to say my child has no contact with this punk anymore.

      It is the ignorant residents that want to blame a race, a color, a group for the problems that their own community created. It is a stick your head in the sand town.

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    5. laughing pain7/19/12, 5:32 PM

      THERE WE GO!!!!!!!!!!!!

      The gangs are cutting into the prescription $$$$$$

      The Hospital and HealthCare Network is loosing $$$

      Now I see why people are concerned..

      Their kids will have compitition at school!!!!

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    6. I was going to poke fun at your post "laughing pain", but it was so incomprehensible that my feeble mind was left blank...not that that is terribly unusual for me. You want to take another shot at it, because I think you might be trying to say something that I could parody and ridicule, but it doesn't translate into anything...so I can't.

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  12. springfield has gotten to the point where kids dont want to be there! they dont feel safe. they cant walk down the street without getting into some kind of fight or trouble. everything is always about drugs. kids DO NOT need to be around that, it needs to stop! its getting to the point where there is going to need to be a k-9 searching the schools every week! its not safe. even i dont want to be here. and it doesnt seem like the police do much about it, they might, but everytime something like this happens everything always gets worse. when will things turn around? when will it be safe to go for a walk and not get jumped? when can i stop being scared? think about how kids must feel seeing all this stuff going on.

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    1. Well the police are keeping the kids safe from speeders, they can't do that if they have to take their cruisers out of hiding and drive around looking for the troublemakers. Look at all the signs of prosperity that we have brought you by continually slashing programs. We are bringing back jobs as well too which keeps people off the streets since they have to work several jobs if they want to stay off welfare. Not like when we had unions in town and only one person had to work in the family, it just gave people too much idle time to get in trouble.

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  13. Boss High..feel free to stop down and file a FOIA request and get the crime reports for Springfield so you can actually have a idea of what goes on in town and by virtue know what you are talking about. Then again I guess it's more fun to put out false information...

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