Friday, January 17, 2014

Springfield crowd opposes $1M school cut

School leaders asked the public to focus on economics rather than emotions, positions rather than personalities.  Another photo: 15p1.jpg

http://www.rutlandherald.com/article/20140117/NEWS02/701179915

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  1. Are the teachers due for a pay increase per their contract? If so, why does the board continue to approve wage increases? Why aren't they level funding? Many taxpayers in town are not seeing their wages increase every year. Matter of fact, many have seen their wages decrease in order to keep their jobs. They might want to support the budget, but financially they can not afford to do it.
    Please try to have a shred of empathy for the taxpayers who are struggling to support this town.

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  2. So the $960,000 cut from the 'proposed' budget is, in reality, an increase of $8,233 from the current budget. Currently the $28M divided by 1450 students is $19,310 per student (I know that's not how 'they' calculate per student costs). And if we add the $960,000 it goes up to $19,972 per student. An increase of $662 per student. Or an increase of 3.4%.
    So supporters feel the difference between a quality education and an education our children don't deserve - is 3.4%? Let's stop with all the crying about how we're hurting our children. Let's look at the numbers and see what we can afford. That's right, what we can afford, not the dream system we'd love to have, but what a declining town like Springfield can afford. And as for looking to Montpelier and Washington for help? Really? Let's beg them to send our own money back to us? The argument should be to let us keep the money we had in the first place instead of sending truck loads of it to Montpelier and Washington so they can waste it figuring out how little we 'deserve' to get back. I applaud the school board for attempting to level fund right from the get go - unless this is a smoke screen to drum up support for the extra $960K.

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  3. The town and school both need to cut at least 25% more out of each budget that way as taxpayers we will not have to pay as much to suffer this much it cannot get much worse. The school is hardly the future of this town but it may be the demise of it with their current attitude. Cut $960K from the budget and still have a tax increase I wonder if the state formula hadn't changed would the school be asking for another million instead my guess is yes. My answer is no Cut! Cut! CUT! It’s time to amputate a leg and limp along with what taxpayers can afford. We all need to suffer not just some.

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  4. chuck gregory1/17/14, 6:14 PM

    They didn't touch the athletics program? Thank God!

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    1. I'll drink a cup of coffee to that...And another...And another...!!!

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    2. They can cut Joe Brown out for all I care. He is a fence rider, never gives an honest answer and only looks out for himself.

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    3. Well try on his pair of shoes then maybe you would think different. Or apply for his job. I bet you would do neither. So think twice before you throw his name around. Native sign off...

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  5. re: "...listening to these people is very emotional. This is a community responsibility. It seems this is a community crisis.”

    What's next, parade out some sad-eyed puppy and threaten to blow it brains out if the budget is cut? Make no mistake, what you are witnessing is pure selfishness on the part of those pleading against cuts. If their motives were as honorable as they suggest, they would be volunteering as aids and leading fund raising efforts. A few of us can spot a phony when we see it.

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  6. Re: Sophomore Tre Ayer said, “Cutting taxes will benefit people now, but it won’t be helping students going to college or the job market.”

    That statement alone tells us that the school system is already failing at equipping students with critical reasoning skills, while instead instilling in them a distorted sense of entitlement that is sure to diminish their ability to cope and compete in a world where limited resources are the reality.

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    1. I don't know what Tre is whining on about he is a straight A student who wouldn't even be affected by ANY cut. And someone should share with him that it does benefit students going to college because their family can afford to help their child out because they won't be paying outrageous taxes. Get the rope now and drag the puppies behind the car already because this parade is disgusting. Everyone knows his mom is very good friends with one of the administrators. Step off people!

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    2. Obviously you are clueless as to the competiveness of getting into a good college or university. Cutting AP classes and Foreign languages does take away your ability to compete with the other students who are applying. A gpa of 4.0 is no longer considered good. How dare you throw "entitlement" out there in relation to these kids. If we want to cut taxes, why not look at the big picture, Social services, oops, not supposed to go there but these folks are entitled to free car repair, free cell phones, free food, free college, free medical care.

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    3. First of all, the reporter got the quote wrong, I was at the meeting, and Tre said that "Cutting taxes may help the tax payers this March, but it won't helping students going into the college or job market." Second of all, how dare you insult the students an teachers of this town by calling their reasoning skills "failing", when you're the one who is saying that an education isn't preparing the students for the real world. What does that say about your critical reasoning? How in the world do you get "a distorted sense of entitlement" out of students motivated enough to speak up in defense of their education. Instead of publicly bashing those brave enough to speak up without the protection of a computer screen, you should be more interactive in the community and learn about the problems in it instead of spewing your unbacked, data-less opinions.

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    4. For 6:14, I know Tre myself, and I don't know where you heard that he is a straight A student, he isn't. He's a good student, but he doesn't have straight As. Also, without a good education, there is no need for their parents to pay for a college tuition if the students don't have the grades to get into any college. Maybe someone needs to should share with you that it isn't just the Russian teacher that is being cut, no, it's English teachers, Science teachers, Math teachers, and Social Studies teachers as well. The cuts will affect Tre as well as any other student. There will be fewer electives offered at the SHS next year, which will mean that this "straight A student" that you know nothing about, won't have as many opportunities in the school system. Think about that before the next time decide to give your pinion on a subject, and people, who you know nothing about.

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  7. Re: DeBlock emphasized that she’s also a taxpayer. She said, “What can we do to involve Montpelier in this decision? How do we make them feel the pain we feel?”

    Ever heard of your "elected representatives"? Well, probably not, since none of them have succeeded in doing anything of true significance for Springfield lately. So, if you want Montpelier involved, you're going to have to realize how inept your current representatives are and boot them out in favor of more competent representation.

    Here is the current roster of do-nothing legislators representing Springfield:

    * D/W Emmons, Alice, M., 318 Summer St., Springfield, VT 05156 (802) 885-5893; E-Mail: aemmons@leg.state.vt.us

    * D/W Martin, Cynthia, T., 903 French Meadow Rd., Springfield, VT 05156 (802) 886-8470; E-Mail: cmartin@leg.state.vt.us; ctm@vermontel.net

    * D Dakin, Leigh, J., P.O. Box 467, Chester, VT 05143 (802) 875-3456; E-Mail: ldakin@leg.state.vt.us

    Sen. John F. Campbell
    P.O Box 1306, Quechee, VT 05059
    802-295-6238
    Campbell, Buckholtz, Saunders & Nelson
    P.O. Box 1221, Quechee, VT 05059
    802-295-1111 Fax 802-295-6344
    jcampbell@leg.state.vt.us or vt13@aol.com

    Sen. Richard J. McCormack
    127 Cleveland Brook Rd.
    Bethel, VT
    05032
    802-234-5497
    rmccormack@leg.state.vt.us

    Sen. Alice W. Nitka
    P.O. Box 136, Ludlow
    VT 05149
    802-228-8432
    anitka@leg.state.vt.us
    alicenitka@comcast.net

    You can thank them all for contributing to the town's plight.

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    1. Emmons, doesn't even live in town half the time. She is rubber stamped into office each election. Individuals, taxpayers need to start promoting and voting for respresentatives that live here and understand the plight of our community. Just having an address isn't good enough. Just writing a column to applease voters...Really?

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    2. People need to be more engaged with the political process. It would also not hurt if people were more engaged in our community, especially our schools.

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  8. Re: Springfield High School senior Amanda Battiest spoke on behalf o the high school's Russian language program. The foreign language class is slated to be cut from the 2015 Springfield School budget.

    Ever hear of Rosetta Stone? It's an option.

    Hard times call for hard decisions. In this case, in an English speaking country, the decision to reduce the language curricula seems a very prudent course of action.

    Thanks again to flimsy reporting, readers are left to guess what the participation rate for Russian language studies actually may be. Better for the reporter and the rag he/she works for to just roll out the inflammatory grenade and try and tug on the heartstrings of their readers.

    Journalistic malpractice remains alive and well here.

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    1. chuck gregory1/19/14, 5:52 PM

      12:38, in regard to forgoing the teaching of Russian: "People who speak three languages are called 'tri-lingual"; those who speak two are called "bi-lingual." Those who speak one are called Americans."

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    2. You must be real fun to hang out with...

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    3. Well until we close the borders then we need to have foreign language programs. I'm no against closing the borders, 12:38 can you handle just buying American?

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    4. The United States of America is one of the few countries in the world that doesn't have an official language. Just because it is a minority, doesn't mean that we don't need to know the language 12:38.

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  9. The typical tempest in a teapot by those Springfielders prone to letting fear be their master.

    Instead of recognizing and being thankful for the educational possibilities that may yet be achieved by a smaller, more responsible budget during fiscally challenging times, they immediately let fear rule their lives by imagining impossibilities and magnifying them to the point of vastly irrational predictions.


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    1. Then there are some people who paint everyone that advocates for public schools as ungrateful money beggars.

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    2. What you are neglecting to recognize is that sound fiscal management and public school administration do not always go hand in hand, such as in Springfield. The majority support public education accomplished at reasonable cost. But they will not blindly hand over greater proportions of their income and wealth simply because the schools insist on it. Especially since their are not commensurate increases in the schools' performance metrics.

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  10. To "Anonymous" who seems to be "trolling" this site, why not use your real name or are you one of those who have to hide behind your computer screen? You sure seem to have a lot to say but you don't seem to make much sense lol

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    1. well june cleaver what is your real name......

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  11. Taxpayers are drowning and having to sell their homes. We need to streamline the best education we can afford for our kids, but not destroy the town in the process. Russian is not a language that would be considered mainstream. VLAC is an option for the one or two students who might want to take a class but which cannot be supported by taxpayers in these hard times. Explore the online offerings that are cost effective, streamlined online courses that can be taken within the school structure or at home, for nominal or free. http://vlacs.org/ or the big virtual school: http://www.flvs.net/Pages/default.aspx
    Education is important, but there will not be any educational integrity without people who can support it by being able to afford their homes.

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    1. Perhaps a Russian Language Club can be formed at no cost and utilize volunteers to mentor the members.

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    2. chuck gregory1/19/14, 5:50 PM

      7:37, what are your sources for the claim that "taxpayers are drowning and having to sell their homes"? And what are your sources for the implication that it's the school budget and not lack of income that is the cause of their impoverishment?

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    3. Maybe it's the town budget? How about taking a look at the town garage, the PD and the town office. I pay a lot of taxes for not a lot of service. We employ drug dealers, people who refuse drug testing, people out on comp,

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    4. the drug dealer is gone and so people out on comp actually got hurt on the job......

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  12. Here is a Vermont Virtual School for students- http://vtvlc.org/

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  13. Here is an example of what this district SHOULD be doing and concentrating on instead of thinking that their constant throwing of money would fix things. If that were true then we would have the best students in a tri state area.

    http://blogs.kqed.org/mindshift/2014/01/low-income-schools-see-big-benefits-in-teaching-mindfulness/?utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprfacebook&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=facebook

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    1. chuck gregory1/19/14, 8:49 AM

      A very intriguing possibility, 11:16! But if we try it, you can bet there will be people commenting here that we're throwing money at it for no good reason. They refuse to see that money spent for education is an investment.

      We can change for the better, but it takes money.

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    2. We can also change for the worse thanks to state and federal money, and that has already been proven in spades!

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  14. Anonymity bothers only the intellectually weak and small minded among us who would prefer to persecute the identity of the author than ponder his/her ideas.

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    1. Both also depend on the intent / perspective of the writer and reader.

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    2. Now that I know who you are (yes, I found out).. I understand why you stay "anonymous" and I have a better understanding of why you feel the need to "troll' these pages. I have to say I was surely surprised... and to the others, no I will not say who it is out of respect ..so please do not ask. Proceed......

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  15. And what about athletics...lets cut that for two years. let parks and rec pic it up for the kids in town.

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    1. More kids go on to play sports in college than those who pursue music. Cut music.

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    2. Sports are a great activity for the kids in town. High School sports are good for the kids, the school and the town. Parks and Rec can't handle what they have to.... someone should look into Andy.... rumor has it that he is one of the highest paid parks and rec directors in the state and he spends almost everyday on the golf course in the summer while filling up his car on the town credit card..... who is his manager anyway?

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  16. 3:41 you are so right!!!! Do people not see this?

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