Monday, June 25, 2012

Opinion: Candy and its role in Vermont’s Energy Future

Is anyone getting tired of reading self-serving statements and quizzical facts in the form of paid advertising and other propaganda from the people hoping to build a huge biomass power plant in North Springfield?

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  1. No but am getting tired of NOSAG posting all these negative articles against an industrialist who already has put one empty building back into use.

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  2. Stop the BioMess! Burning up 40 truckloads of our forests a day that won't renew for 70 years is lunacy! Look at all of that carbon that is released in the matter of a few hours at most. This ain't no "green" energy plan, it's pollution and destruction. Ban the BioMess!

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    1. Do you have any clue what you are talking about? They are not going to be using hardwood timber grade wood for this project, we are talking blighted and bull pine, etc. which needs to be removed rather than left laying on the ground or crowding timber, and this does not require 70 years to renew.

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    2. You don't have a clue. Those trees while alive diminish the CO2 in the air that most of us breathe. When burned all of that CO2 is suddenly released into the atmosphere. It instantly adds to the problem. It takes 70 years for those trees to regrow and remove all of that CO2. We don't have seventy years to fix these scams. Wood fueled biomass power plants emit about 50% more CO2 per MWh than existing coal plants, 150% more than existing natural gas plants and 330% more than new power plants.

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  3. No it does not take the kind of trees involved 70 years to regrow. However, if the trees are cut and left to rot as debris, which is what happens now they release the CO2 into the atmosphere. The CO2 removal by the Northeastern forest is negligible because of the CO2 that it produces since much of it is deciduous. In addition, you are basing your figures on old biomass plants not new biomass plants.

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    1. It takes 70 years for the tree to regrow and function as a mature tree. Obviously in the first 10 years the tree will consume little CO2. Once it is mature it takes many years to remove that CO2 that was released when it burned. The 70 figure is pretty much a standard when calculating the figures. If a tree lives a full life and dies that carbon will be released over many decades as the tree rots. It is not hard to find stumps of cut trees that were cut more than 50 years ago and the stump is still decomposing. Next you will be claiming that since some forest fires are natural that this is a natural process, right? Please show us where we can see ALL of the public monies involved in building and operating this particular plant like subsidies, tax credits, building roads, etc. Also please tell us where we can find in writing as to how much CO2 that will be released on a daily basis. I am asking for these as obviously someone has those figures and you seem to know everything.

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    2. Aethelred the Unready6/25/12, 10:27 PM

      I believe his point was that pine trees don't take 70 years to grow to maturity, and you don't use mature hardwood trees in these facilities you use the waste trees that get scattered as debris which usually rot out in a matter of a few years and produce no energy but just supply CO2. Further this will allow the consumption of blighted and shake trees that need to be culled. The State has already developed strict standards that apply to the pellet industry that prevent clear cutting, etc. which will apply to this plant. So all the scare talk about stripping everything bare of trees is just NIMBY propaganda. I believe we all treasure our forests, but to say this plant is going to denude the local forests is simply nonsense. I don't know if Alpin has been arguing about subsidies, or not, seems to me other people have been asserting the subsidies and tax credits. But we subsidized managed forest land in Vermont already under the current use program and those plans frequently call for culling and thinning which used to result in debris -- this will provide a market for it. I haven't heard any local foresters standing up and saying this is going to put them out of business. It looks to me the only real adverse impact is probably going to be on the maple syrup producers as it may drive up the price of their sugarwood that they burn in their sugarhouses -- which by the way probably create a lot lot worse air pollution than this plant will.

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    3. You are fabricating facts. Show us the study that shows how these "waste" trees rot out in a few years. The fact is that it takes many years to grow a mature forest. Whether the trees are hardwoods or another is a canard that you and Alpin(probably the one and the same or employed to distort here) are trying to twist this into. Burning up our forests is bad science and anyone with a brain knows it. Tell how much CO2 this plant will pollute the atmosphere with on a daily basis and how much public money is involved in the development and operation of this plant.

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    4. There is a difference between 70 years to grow a hardwood timber tree, and 20 years to grow a pine tree and even less to grow a blighted or cull pole sized tree. Well managed forests are not harvested once every 70 years, they are continually being harvested so as not to clear cut the same. The culling or thinning of the stands is part of proper woodland management and because it creates temporary pools of light it causes the forest to be better wildlife habitat than mature forests which are not managed and where undergrowth becomes non-existent. Right now there is such a limited market for cull softwoods that they tend to be felled and left to rot -- stumps and small logs do not rot at the same pace. Simple observation of woodlots would give you that understanding, one can expect them to rot out the gases within 2 to 5 years. Granted this is a slower release than burning them, however, other than fertilizing the forest floor they do not provide any useful by product like electrical energy. Rather than these broadside scare rants, it would have been more helpful had someone been arguing in favor of the developer trying to incorporate a bio-char aspect into the plant which would have ended the chatter and concern over CO2 plus provided another marketable product. The logging industry is fairly responsible in Vermont and it could use any shot in the arm that is available.

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    5. Where are the facts and figures on the BioMess? Where is their stated daily release of CO2 into the atmosphere? Where is the complete listing of public funds that will be used to build and operate this facility? All of the funds including tax credits, incentives, building roads, special pricing on water, special tax considerations, etc. Where is the environmental impact study concerning the forests, wildlife, water quality, air quality?

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  4. alpin jackless seems to know the answer to everything on this blog site. He has comments for it all. Everyone should listen to him.

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  5. The only reason Mr. Sussman is against biomass is because it is in his own backyard. If this project was located on the other side of town he wouldn't raise an pinky fighting it nor would any of the NOSAG NIMBYS.

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    1. Aethelred the Unready6/25/12, 10:17 PM

      I guess that depends if your backyard has a line of port o potties in it. I think the point was if you own property near an industrial park you have to kind of expect that industry will locate in the park.

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    2. But what if you lived there before the industrial park was ever built there......and the industrial park was stuck next to your home and now they want to poop in your backyard on top of destroying your neighborhood....

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    3. I would say then that you should have fought harder against the industrial park when it was proposed. Did you resist the industrial park?

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  6. Science from two decades ago to the present shows that carbon dioxide emissions from burning forest biomass for energy generally take so long to be neutralized by tree regrowth – several decades to over a century – that the climate is harmed, not helped.

    The new study, entitled ‘Fuelling a BioMess’, contradicts industry assertions that this kind of ‘biomass’ fuel is clean and carbon neutral. The science behind the report shows how using forests for energy can be worse for the climate than burning coal.

    http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/media-center/news-releases/New-Greenpeace-report-biomass-report-slams-industry-claims/

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  7. Massachusetts’s Governor Deval Patrick’s administration took bold leadership in announcing new standards to ensure that the state’s Renewable Portfolio Standard rewards only biomass energy that reduces carbon emissions. These standards are the first in the world to set a performance requirement for biomass and are critical to reducing carbon emissions and protecting forests, both in Massachusetts and nationally.

    These standards are important because they finally define and favor good biomass over bad. Some biomass, such as sustainably produced energy crops like switchgrass grown on non-forested land, are a good thing — they can power our home while cutting carbon pollution. But, unfortunately, we’re increasingly seeing a very damaging trend — burning whole trees to produce electricity. This practice actually increases carbon emissions compared with fossil fuels for decades, and threatens our forest ecosystems as well.

    In fact, in many states, there is now a perverse scenario where whole trees are counting as a renewable fuel and utilities are rewarded financially for generating bioenergy — while emitting more carbon pollution than coal plants! Absurd, right?

    http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/syassa/massachusetts_biomass_regulati.html

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  8. Take note that the post for the plant has nothing to back up what they say, but there seems to be plenty of info to back up how bad this is. I might be skeptical, but what happens when we run out of blighted trees?? If this happens will the public be notified?

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  9. When they run out of trees they plan on turning the plant into a Soylent Green factory. A win win situation for all.

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    1. They should do that now!!!!

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