Sunday, February 16, 2014

Opinion: An expansive view

If you burn wood to heat your home, you may find reason to cheer the ruling by the Public Service Board last week rejecting a wood-burning power plant proposed for North Springfield.
http://rutlandherald.com/article/20140216/OPINION06/702169865

23 comments :

  1. Interesting that the NOSAG cheerleader who authored the article appears to be anonymous. Perhaps the name is visible in the Rutland Herald article (which I cannot access).

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  2. Since you are also anonymous, your complaint lacks... something.

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  3. Excellent article, GOOD JOB PSB.
    You made the CORRECT choce.
    Intelligent choice.

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  4. I looked twice just to be sure. I used my name and am not posting anonymously. If someone knows Springfield and its residents it really is not hard to figure out who I am. As a matter of fact, complete strangers have walked up to me in the Springfield post office and complimented me on my postings.

    I do not think it is a good idea to post on an internet forum using personally identifiable information such as name, address, phone number or email address. Internet webpages are seen by people around the world, not just in Springfield.

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  5. Just a quick comment from someone who reads this blog virtually everyday; I rarely post comments, but I would be the first to point out that the purpose of the comment section is to get people to post their ideas and comments about various news stories. Given the fact that we live in a small town, most people are not going to freely post comments unless it can be done on an anonymous basis. I salute the people who started this blog to encourage the community at large to post their honest feelings about what is going on in town.

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  6. What's your point Bob? There are many folks due to family, business, position, etc. that must remain anonymous for fear of retribution. That's why we vote secretly, so we can do the right thing, yet not be singled out and be harassed by the minority. Some folks need to beat their chests like Tarzan. Others fail to want or need that notoriety. You might do more good without waving your own flag.

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    1. Posting anonymously is not 'doing the right thing'. It has about the same level of honesty as maliciously spreading rumors. An apt metaphor would be speaking up at town meeting while wearing a disguise and crouching in your seat.

      Regarding the anonymous Jean, my downstream neighbor has that name. I am confident she is not the anonymous one.

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    2. Bob I am going to disagree with you here. If you speak up at a town meeting, it will be seen and heard by whoever is present at the meeting and then forgotten. If you post your name or other personal information on the internet, it can be seen by anyone who wants to use it for whatever purpose they have in mind. This includes everything from Nigerian scammers to con men and women who are able to find sufficient details about your life to use it to gain your confidence. Ypu might be surprised at what a diligent con artist can find out about someone and what they can use it for. Furthermore I am unaware of any controls that are in place to prevent someone from using a name that does not belong to them.

      I've been a senior moderator on an online forum where policy (as dictated by the owner of the website) was to disallow any and all posting of personal information for that very reason. So frankly your attitude is in my opinion highly misplaced.

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  7. Frack it up. Definitely a better alternative.

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  8. In 2012, a Republican state senator in the NY legislature introduced a bill that would give anyone who felt offended by an online anonymous comment posted in that state the power to either have it removed or be reposted non-anonymously. So far, there has been little support for the bill. http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?Text=Y&bn=S06779&default_fld=&term=2011

    For the first 3 years of this news blog, anonymous comments were not allowed and we were lucky to get one or two comments a month. After opening up to anonymous comments in 2010, web traffic to this site shot up 600% within 3 months. It appears people don't want just the latest local news stories, they like a chance to see what other readers out there think about it. People are much more likely to be moved to leave a comment if they don't have to use their real name or have to bother with logging in first. And they feel comfortable expressing what they really think in a post if they can do so privately.

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    1. Your position is not surprising Many people are unwilling to accept responsibility for their actions, their speech, the upbringing of their children, or much of anything else. As you suggest, that may be because it is more 'comfortable' that way. I'm an old geezer, and have come to realize that I'm not going to be really comfortable again anyway (or to bowl well again either). So I may as well stand up, for as long as I'm able.

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    2. not anonymous2/17/14, 12:45 PM

      You must not have been a candlepin bowler. ... cuz you got big balls posting with your name! Ha...ha

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    3. Philip Caron2/17/14, 2:46 PM

      Do the additional posts cited by admin since they allowed anonymity comprise a gain to readers' understanding, or just people entertaining themselves?

      I can't tell whether an anonymous post comes from someone with any local connection, or a troll posting both sides of an argument just to stir it up, or someone so consistently irritating I'd rather filter them out than waste time reading their stuff.

      Internet anonymity lets people omit investigation and reflection and thought and just broadcast whatever just popped into their mind for "validation in print." Worse, it lets some people exercise baser tendencies with impunity. There are a lot of considered and informative posts here, but there's also enough childish junk to keep me out of the comments section much of the time - as either reader or poster.

      If you wouldn't say something to your readers face-to-face, don't post it. If you want your voice heard, then let it be YOUR voice.

      BTW, Jean (who I assume is a woman and not a French man) doesn't seem to be intentionally anonymous, and possibly is well known enough that people should and do recognize her by first name, which makes me feel a bit embarrassed, but I give her credit both for using her name and for posting well in support of the biomass plant.

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  9. Anonymity under these circumstances seems to bother mostly those who are opposed to the anonymous posters' views and opinions. This is revealing, because it demonstrates that their real complaint lies not in the "lack" of a poster's true identity, but rather in the ability of the poster to air contrarian positions. Bob and Phil (and Ted and Alice) would seem to prefer that anonymous posters be banned or censored from these pages, either because they (Bob and Phil and Ted and Alice): 1) lack the self-discipline or self-restraint necessary to tear themselves away from reading such posts; 2) find it unsettling that so many others apparently don't agree with the opinions of Bob and Phil (and Ted and Alice) on various topics on these pages; or 3) don't believe that First Amendment rights should be granted to those who have the audacity to post dissenting points of view here. Any way you slice it, their real issue with anonymity seems to emanate from a core insecurity and a loss of control over the messages that have a chance to be published here. Hmmm, I smell something fishy...Could it be that red herring that Bob and Phil (and Ted and Alice) just tossed across the trail to disguise their true scent?

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  10. 11:48 (Bob) you have set the record for exponential extrapolation (right off the charts)- taking the topic of a poster's anonymity and equating it to "...unwilling[ness] to accept responsibility for their actions, their speech, the upbringing of their children, or much of anything else." Good gracious, man, are you that unsettled by exposure to the counterpoints expressed by others? If that's the case, then you probably came unglued at the lanes when confronted with a 7 - 10 split, too! ; - ) Laugh it off, Bob! It's going to be alright!

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    1. The counterpoints carry no weight (if they would otherwise) when presented by nonames, only darkness and mystery and a tinge of evil. :) 7-10s don't annoy me nearly as much as those blasted 10-pin taps.

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    2. Bob, almost every site that allows comments on the internet does not require a name and/or address. So don't throw darts at this site only as it's the name of the game now. Unless you're running for political office or trying to impress your mate an attached name means almost nothing. As an example a person in California makes a post on ESPN, who cares what his name is, it's the comment that will get a response. Same here. And unless the blog admin is going to double check the names and address of everyone posting one can use any name or profile. If I said my name was Ted Wilson and live in Springfield do you believe me? Are you going to call me up and debate my opinion? I would figure not. So it's what you have to say that keeps these things going. If you have any common sense you'll disregard several comments, one person comes to mind, and maybe react to others. Here's the important thing, it doesn't change anything if I know who posted them, unless of course it is a public figure that should be displaying their honest opinions if they expect my vote. Of course today most lie or sidestep questions so that point may be moot.

      So Bob there is no Santa Claus. These comments don't change anything, create new policy or save the world. It's a place for some to express an opinion they may not otherwise choose to do. I think most people are true to their nature and will post only what they truly believe, like it or not the internet has created a whole new game.

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  11. Wow! An absolutely brilliant example of villain-creation. How "First Amendment Rights" got in there is kind of weird, but if you skim by it fast it seems to legitimize the condemnation of the Named Ones, who not only 'lack self-discipline and self-restraint', but have core insecurity and smell bad to boot.

    If you had lost control and gotten impolite, your factual analysis wouldn't be nearly as effective.

    I can't speak for Phil, Ted and Alice, but Old Bob here is impressed as hell.

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  12. chuck gregory2/18/14, 7:50 AM

    The biggest problem with being anonymous is that it facilitates the trolls. A new paper has come out about the troll personality: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886914000324

    Summary: "Overall, strong positive associations emerged among online commenting frequency, trolling enjoyment, and troll identity, pointing to a common construct underlying the measures. Both studies revealed similar patterns of relations between trolling and the Dark Tetrad of personality: trolling correlated positively with sadism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism. . ."

    The Dark Tetrad!

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    1. Fear the trolls! More fodder to keep Chicken Little running scared...and for the feeble minded to use in trying to silence those with whom they don't agree.

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    2. chuck gregory2/18/14, 4:31 PM

      12:45, nobody can silence those with whom they disagree on this blog-- much as I'd often like to!

      Posting as "Anonymous" does, I think, make it easier for someone to indulge their penchant for The Dark Tetrad (don't you just love that label?). And I think readers will be attuned to the possibility every time they see "Anonymous." (Except when it's yours, of course….)

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  13. Besides, I miss out on being able to attack anyone with an opinion different than mine, when I don't know their genealogy or past indiscretions. Allows me to be above everyone else.

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  14. "...only darkness and mystery and a tinge of evil." Old Bob, there you go again, letting your imagination run away with you!

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