Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Looking at the Night Sky Through the Past

It is not easy to imagine the sleepy town of Springfield, Vermont as a former hub of industry, innovation, and intrigue.
http://tucsoncitizen.com/lizard/2012/08/21/looking-at-the-night-sky-through-the-past/

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  1. TEAM 33 Park st.8/21/12, 11:00 PM

    poor writing. many errors.

    The P+W is not abandoned. needs work sure. but that building never spent 1 night unloved. Ever.

    And that is a blower not a chimney

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    1. hahaha

      1 word for you buddy.

      tyvek

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    2. You probably don't mean grammatical errors, but you might. Clauses instead of sentences, lack of capitalization, lack of punctuation, etc.

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    3. oh you mean like...... when you use a photograph of one thing and the article talks about something else......... and never mentions the item in the picture ...........................

      like ................... and then ......

      and, then, the caption is wrong...

      and then ...........

      journalism 101

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  2. P+W may not be an abandoned building but it is an embarrassment to Park St. The old loading dock is crumbling and falling away and so many windows are broken out. What a mess. And to TEAM 33Park st......"needs work sure" is the understatement of the year.
    If my home looked the way P+W does, the town of Springfield would be all over me to clean it up.

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    1. Kate, no they wouldn't. Have you seen the houses on Union St. lately, it doesn't seem the down is all over them to clean it up.

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    2. Friends of 338/22/12, 5:17 PM

      Kate,
      Team 33Park would like to humbly apolagize for not being further acomplished visually on the park st side.

      Kate,
      Friends of the 33 . . . would like to let you know that Team 33Park ST is not happy with the good citizens for throwing rocks through the windows...... or shooting them.....

      Or for Breaking and Entering and stealing the generator.

      Or climbing on the roof and stealing the wires from the transformers on into the building...

      Or .....

      and .....

      did she mention the lack of co-operation from municipally funded non profit groups ?

      The problem goes past the street and further to voices like yours that sound superficial, plastic, and loaded with provactive and antagonistic remarks with suggested outcomes..
      You'd be a perfect fit for many of the Not for Profits that have no business except for making other peoples business their business.

      Team 33 Park St, has families, friends, and prayers for healthy futures. They have come so far, with every obstacle that plagues Springfield, just like the rest of us. You should ask them for advice . You should ask them what they see that keeps them so involved. What are they so fantasticly excited about.... What ever it is, it is here in Springfield.

      Awww.
      Those guys are REAL AMERICANS

      The P+W is AWESOME... and for those who need further understanding.....

      DON'T JUDGE A BOOK BY IT'S COVER.
      We'll still see you 100 years from now. New cover, same book. Healthy and Happy, join us.

      I know the guys over their and they pulled more trash and garbage out of the Comtu Falls section of the cascades than possibly everyone before them. I am sure they kept their character inside too.

      They paid for and spent a good amount of time so far on preserving historical antiques and ephemera to be eventually shared and found online. Go Springfield. Go Long. Touchdown.


      They intend to re-side the park st side of the building, they have multiple active things happening there now.

      I have seen them actively engaged in their other projects.

      I know them to deserve awards for the countless hours of community shoveling, sweeping, and cleaning they volunteer.

      and they have kids.. So I think they want to clean more than just their own..

      Kate, and all of the kates

      If you won't differentiate between the healthy meat and bones of Springfield and the P+W, vs. your desired visual whipcream on top of silt that you wish for the town, we will.

      And for that... We will not apolagize.









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    3. Satan's Carpet8/22/12, 5:34 PM

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    4. Satan's Carpet8/23/12, 9:52 AM

      Kate... is correct.

      funk and phunk are not derogatory words...

      telling someone to funk off is the same as telling them to get their funk on.

      Satan's carpet only meant to change the attitude and get funky. Having a good funkadelic inspired vision gets you places and cures the old factory blues.

      Springfield needs to phunk things up.

      and as for Satan's carpet....... The P+W made textile equipment. So that was a textile joke too.

      The Team of 33 Park St. is aware of several large scale improvments neccasary to the well being of 33 Park St.

      Kate is correct.

      But having had my father and my brother work for P+W and having been inside the building all of my life.

      I got to hand it to the current folks in charge,.

      I only wish the people of this town would help them more instead of perpetuating the conditions that result in crime and mis-managment of the town's image and written history.

      team 33 Park St has decided to work with
      The River Moguls and to help re-Americanize the future of Springfield. So now, there is a younger force, downtown.. Exactly at the right time. Like my friend said. Far from abandoned

      Please do not erase my comments without checking both a dictionary and a thesaurus.

      and go study George Clinton.

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    5. Aethelred the Unready8/24/12, 10:11 AM

      Yeah, I also given the two houses directly in front of Union Street doubt the Town would be all over you.

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  3. Reinvent Springfield by enacting zoning. Zoning that prohibits decrepit eyesores and abandoned properties. Then raze P&W, the Gillman Shop, Park Street School, J&L Plant 1, Bryants, and dozens of residential buildings. Make way for new, modern, energy efficient, tax generating properties.

    Tax multi family, low income dwellings proportionate to the demands they place on town services. Thus removing the incentive for non resident slum loads to destroy neighborhoods. Stop granting tax exempt status to parasitic shelters. Make Springfield work for those that pay their own way.

    Should anyone in town government resist, hold recall elections or call for their dismissal. Springfield can change, but not by cheerleading and the do-gooders at the helm now.

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    1. The Gillman Shop ??

      Is a Hi-Tech Hydro Facility in close to BRAND NEW condition....

      moron.

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    2. The Gillman Shop??

      Is a Hi-Tech Hydro Electric Facility that is mostly BRAND NEW...

      Smarty pants.

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    3. The Real View8/22/12, 5:51 PM

      I have a challenge.....

      NAME ONE "abandoned" property in town.

      A Really Abandoned Property.

      You know... Left behind. abandoned. taxes un-paid.

      Not for re-development, not coveted. Abandoned.


      yeah that is right. There aren't any.

      Biggest secret in town..

      Springfield the best defended secret in Vermont.

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    4. Aethelred the Unready8/24/12, 10:08 AM

      While it might make sense to raze Bryants, and I believe there are plans to raze portions of J & L if and when the environmental issues are ever resolved. I doubt that razing Park Street or Parks and Woolson is likely to result in an influx of "new, modern, energy efficient, tax generating properties"...the alternates for those buildings are: 1) leave them as they are to slowly rot and decay; 2) renovate them and get them back inot use; or 3) raze them and either convert them to public parks or let them become poorly located parking lots with weeds growing up in the cracks in the pavement and drug dealers using them to do drug deals. Of these three, I opt for (2). New modern from the ground up facilities are going to locate in the industrial park in North Springfield, the only other viable likelihood for if (3) were pursued is large subsidized housing projects for which there is little need and tremendous public distaste.

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    5. 26 years old and educated8/24/12, 10:27 AM

      Well... Aethelred. Thank you for blending the blog with the article.

      Isn't it great that 33 Park st is in private hands and we don't have to worry or make plans for it.

      In fact. The owners paid heavy back taxes to aquire the building. No state or federal $ and no non-profit assistance.

      Perhaps some courtesy and respect or at least seperation and distinction from the town's other wellfair development projects.

      or.... Throw some money their way.

      we could offer to buy them a generator and fix their windows. Perhaps we could elimintate the pigeons from the entire town.

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    6. The owners of 33 Park Street should get behind and support the renovation and redevelopment of Park Street School, because the fate of that school building will probably determine the ultimate fate of their building. It is my understanding that a joint meeting between the School Board and the Selectboard is scheduled for Monday the 27th at 7:00 pm at the Town Hall. They should be there since getting P & W revitalized would be the next step on rebuilding Springfield after Park Street.

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    7. Now, now, we need to keep the attendance at the Joint Meeting to a minimum. The Selectboard Chairman prefers to handle things privately outside of public meetings which is the way such things are done. It needs to be delivered to a committee composed of local figureheads who can quietly do what should be done, which is nothing. You see we already have the people at the old GearShaper complex sprucing that place up and it will destroy our mill town gone to ruin ambience if we have too much of this sprucing up going on. How are we going to complain about taxes if they start revitalizing the Town and putting industries in industrial parks and such, it would just be intolerable I tell you. Although pigeon poop harvesting does sound like a good industrial project, perhaps we can get the prison involved in that. In any event, we need to preserve our industrial heritage by preserving these legacy sites without disturbing them. Why I understand they have ghosts at Park Street School and we should let them wander it in peace. We need to have these decaying buildings to inspire Springfield on the Move to Reinvent Springfield by displaying photographs of what Springfield was like back in the war years...oh how I miss all the shooting and bombing over there.

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  4. I like what you are saying and would like to add:
    "If you always do, what you always did....
    You will always get, what you always got!"
    Are any of the cheerleaders listening?

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    1. I'd like to see you in a skirt with pom poms, your not our cheer captian.

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    2. Kate - Go fix up your house. GO GO KATE !! When you are done, offer the team at 33 park st. all they will need to fix up the outside of their building so you can feel good about Park st again. $$$$ Don't got the $ ? Then keep it to yourself. Go check out the art at the GearShapers but don't walk around the corner - because then you will know the truth !

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  5. SHS astronomer8/22/12, 6:38 PM

    If you mis-quote Geoffrey Notkin, by taking the following out of context..


    "a town in the right place at the right time."

    I like what he has to say.

    I think what is taking place in front of our eyes right now is the most remarkable chapter of Springfield's history to date.

    I get the feeling that we are all part of History, right in the middle of it all. That is exactly what it tastes like, the flavor that I get.

    No need to read only about the past, look up and around. Create the future now and make it tommorrow's past.

    I'd rather live and drink up the most significant period of Springfield's history than read about Springfield's last chapter like it was it's only chapter...

    so if I were Geoffrey Notkin's editor.

    "a town in the right place at the right time."

    is all that would have made the press.










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  6. chuck gregory8/23/12, 11:23 AM

    The authors of Freakonomics pointed out that civic and social decay starts with the arrival of neglect: A neighborhood, they determined, where one broken window goes unrepaired is much more likely to see more broken windows, graffiti, littering and a further descent into the conditions of a "People's Park," while one where disrepair, vandalism and neglect are dealt with right away don't go downhill.

    The reason, they hypothesized, is that an air of neglect sends a message to all that nobody cares, and when a sizable number of people believe that, they stop caring as well.

    The remedy is to combat neglect by taxing it. Have property taxes based on the appearance of a property: The more in disrepair it is, the higher the property tax.

    People in general are unaware of the power of taxation to bring about changes in attitudes. The cigarette tax is a good example, though: The higher the cost of cigarettes, the greater the number of people who give up smoking. Let's use that power to improve the message in Springfield that people care about their neighborhoods.

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    2. Now that is funny, and I don't care who you are !!!

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    3. I think the saying is 'you can't legislate morality but you can tax it' Mr. Gregory, your statement, 11:23am, is right on.

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    4. New York Blogger8/23/12, 5:36 PM


      A 11:23am and 5:00... what does this have to do with the article? Are you local pliticians or something?

      It sounds like you got things backwards.

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    5. "A neighborhood, they determined, where one broken window goes unrepaired is much more likely to see more broken windows, graffiti, littering....."

      ABSOLUTELY!!!!....I've noticed this same behavior among pigeons pooping and pooping in the EXACT same spot. WHEN WILL IT END!!!!!!!

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    6. Nitrogen Based Fertilizer8/24/12, 9:51 AM

      I here they are using the pigeon poop to grow marajuana and are making more $$ then any other gang in town selling pot to the kids at Park St School

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  7. And this is why Springfield is the armpit of the nation and nothing gets accomplished. Dogooders and dreamers with no realistic clue whatsoever...Im laughing my butt off!

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    1. Comeback kid8/24/12, 9:48 AM

      The reason Springfield is the armpit of society is obvious.

      Everytime an outsider with the answer comes to town you chase them and their investors away with quotes from the movie deliverence.

      You are not aware of their talent and skills because you are limited in vision.

      laugh away.... Your on your way out.

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    2. #Verytrue!

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  8. Robert Flinstone8/24/12, 10:16 AM

    great here we go again.....

    someone trying to make a living and the brain trust and peanut gallery has to chime in..

    Why not tar and feather people for vandalism and crime.

    And hang Chuck Gregory as a futile facist pig.

    and as far as being REALISTIC goes...

    99% of the broken windows happen after school is out and at night.

    Go and pretend it is not the School system and the Police Dept failing at their PAID JOBS.

    Blaim it on the pidgeons but remember they are outnumbered by imbiciles who have access to this blogspot.

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    1. Bernie Rubble8/24/12, 11:28 AM

      @ Bob Flinstone..

      Chuck Gregory is an enlightened profit..

      what he meant was that Geoffrey Notkin's poor journalism is the preverbial broken window.

      and that Team 33 Park st is repairing this

      and breaking the cycle Mr. Gregory refers to both on Park St and in the blogosphere by addressing the issue through repair and open comment.

      Perhaps SHS Astronomer said it best, but Chuck Gregory lined the clouds with silver.

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  9. I don't believe 33 Park st. to be "abandoned", I see people working or doing something over there all the time when I drive by. They may not be fixing the outside but there is no question in my mind that someone has been cleaning that place up on the inside. I have also seen lots of people at the "cardboard palace" for lack of a better name - sorry, but he also IS occupying his building for sure. To blame the owner of any ONE building for all that has happened on Park st. or Main St. is so rediculous. Really people - the only entities that are getting the MILLIONS of dollars from the state needed to waste on huge projects are the same people who are STEALING THIS TOWN, YOUR MONEY, AND TAKING SPRINGFIELD'S SOUL. Any private owners of ALL properties in this town are sure doing their best with the NOTHING that the non-profits and "good-doers" of Springfield share with them. Leave them alone ! This includes ALL THE PRIVATE BUILDING OWNERS WHO ARE OCCUPYING THEIR BUILDINGS -leave them all alone!! Let them do MORE, not less. I believe that pictures like the one in this article mis-represent the TRUTH, to say this property is abandoned is a LIE, no more no less. We should not allow authors and photographers to represent our town in such a negative way. And that goes for you too - KATE !

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  10. Friends of 33 (8-22-12)
    I think you need to cut out that 14th cup of coffee!

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